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Old 11-09-2017, 11:35 PM   #21
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Re: Winthrop Square Garage Being Demolished

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it's worth pointing out that they've put up at least sixteen highly sophisticated/structurally complex residential or mixed-use towers across the country:

http://millenniumptrs.com/our-properties/

One of them is now sinking.

Any rational person would conclude, based on the record, that a truly exceptional and unique set of geotechnical, architectural/engineering, political, and other factors have converged to bring about this spectacular phenomenon... and would withhold judgment until the case is litigated in a San Francisco court and the various experts for plaintiff and defendant have a chance to take the stand.
Thanks. It does seem like Millennium got screwed.
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Old 11-10-2017, 12:45 AM   #22
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One good thing is once this is demolished it becomes even more of an eye sore right in the middle of downtown. That should help expedite the process because nobody wants another hole downtown and hopefully this thing moves forward uninhibited from this point forward on whatever schedule its on currently.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:53 AM   #23
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The buzz in the city of Boston is Amazon will announce Winthrop Square garage location is the 2nd home to Amazon work force.
Expect this project to get fast tracked now. Labor costs are going to skyrocket now with this and the casino now in play.

This tower along with Amazon being in this part of downtown is going to be insane.

Great fit and addition to this area.

Always thought the Suffolk downs location was an awful idea. They should build rental or condo units to help the affordable housing in and around Boston.

Is Revere a sanctuary city also?
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:01 AM   #24
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Buzz among whom? Who is talking, and what are they saying?

And what does any of this have to do with sanctuary cities?
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:10 AM   #25
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Rifle, STOP already before the mods close another thread concerning this project site. If it's new information about Amazon take it to a Amazon thread. Thank you.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:15 AM   #26
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Re: Winthrop Square Garage Being Demolished

I do have a question:

I'm not sure how building a tower is legally structured concerning ownership. But since the Millennium Group is getting sued in San Fran concerning that tower.

Could that prevent them from building this Winthrop Garage Tower from being completed if the plaintiffs were able to win the case and demand their money back along with paying for damages force the group into a bankruptcy process?

Is Millennium Group at risk here because of the San Fran tower problem?

"West where are you?" I know you can answer this.

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Old 11-10-2017, 09:18 AM   #27
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Buzz among whom? Who is talking, and what are they saying?

why do you even engage this clown? His comments are beyond useless and not worthy of debate or discussion. He frequently makes things up and then attempts to pass it on as news or "buzz." He brings zero to this forum and I don't even bother reading his posts anymore.
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Old 11-10-2017, 09:48 AM   #28
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why do you even engage this clown? His comments are beyond useless and not worthy of debate or discussion. He frequently makes things up and then attempts to pass it on as news or "buzz." He brings zero to this forum and I don't even bother reading his posts anymore.
There is a blocking function.
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Old 11-10-2017, 10:03 AM   #29
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There is a blocking function.
Agree there is no reason to call people names because you disagree with what I wrote. Use the blocking function instead of insulting people.


So can Millennial Group finish the project facing the legal process in San Fran and if they lose that battle what happens ?
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Old 11-10-2017, 10:11 AM   #30
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Yes.

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Without being an apologist or fanboy for their work, it's worth pointing out that they've put up at least sixteen highly sophisticated/structurally complex residential or mixed-use towers across the country:

http://millenniumptrs.com/our-properties/

One of them is now sinking.

Any rational person would conclude, based on the record, that a truly exceptional and unique set of geotechnical, architectural/engineering, political, and other factors have converged to bring about this spectacular phenomenon... and would withhold judgment until the case is litigated in a San Francisco court and the various experts for plaintiff and defendant have a chance to take the stand.
I will leave the critique of Rifleman's post to others... but this post is spot on. Millennium got screwed by subcontractor Webcor, City of San Francisco engineers and their 3rd party consultant... Webcor and City of San Francisco will be picking up most of the tab for this fiasco.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sfgat...on-9220921.php

Furthermore, Millennium Partners' holdings and future projects are well removed and legally insulated from the fallout, whatever that should be from the final resolution of MT San Francisco.

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Old 11-10-2017, 10:19 AM   #31
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Then if that is the case why hasn't Millennium Group take some accountability at this point concerning that tower? And I believe the Millennial Group is a risk building out the completion of Winthrop Garage without knowing what is the final verdict concerning the San Fran Tower.

Can this group assure Boston that they can finish the Winthrop tower if the results are financially catastrophic concerning the San Fran outcome?

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Old 11-10-2017, 10:54 AM   #32
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Then if that is the case why hasn't Millennial Group take some accountability at this point concerning that tower? And I believe the Millennial Group is a risk building out the completion of Winthrop Garage without knowing what is the final verdict concerning the San Fran Tower.
Hey man, for once, Millennials have nothing to do with this.
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Old 11-10-2017, 11:38 AM   #33
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Then if that is the case why hasn't Millennium Group take some accountability at this point concerning that tower? And I believe the Millennial Group is a risk building out the completion of Winthrop Garage without knowing what is the final verdict concerning the San Fran Tower.

Can this group assure Boston that they can finish the Winthrop tower if the results are financially catastrophic concerning the San Fran outcome?
Major commercial and residential real estate projects are isolated from the development groups in separate LLCs for exactly this reason. Liability is limited to the investors in the specific project, not the Millennium Group as a whole.

Unless someone is making a criminal case about conspiracy or negligent fraud (not civil lawsuits, criminal indictments from the State of California), I am not aware of a mechanism to pierce the corporate liability protections of an LLC.

No company can make assurances that they are isolated completely from financial downturns or unexpected events. Developers are constantly being sued; it is why they use the separate LLCs for projects. They are big targets.
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Old 11-10-2017, 12:53 PM   #34
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Developers are constantly being sued; it is why they use the separate LLCs for projects. They are big targets.
I get that developers get sued constantly .
The question is how unique is the San Fran Case? How many other developers got sued for foundation issues concerning one development that possibly affected future developments because of civil/fraudulent cases?

The homeowners association to the San Fran building is suing the developers.

I think there is a lot of risk concerning this group and if the judge finds for the homeowners association for financial damages or the building is deemed to be knocked down several stories could cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
I would think the developer would consider bankruptcy especially if the insurance company had a loop hole out .

How would that affect Winthrop Square Garage if the building was in the phase II of construction?
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:14 PM   #35
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I'm glad I opened this thread.
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:17 PM   #36
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I'm glad I opened this thread.
Admit it, you knew it was likely a trainwreck in here, but you opened it anyway
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:36 PM   #37
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Opened this and saw all stages of an AB thread:

1) News!
2) Derail
3) Why are we being derailed??
4) Beeline tries to save the day with site pics
5) We continue to eat the garbage
6) Meta discussion <-- we are here
7) Giant treatise on why the FAA is making Boston a 3rd world country (pending)

That being said, I appreciate those of you actually contributing with real news and pics!
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:37 PM   #38
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Wait, isn't Rifleman the guy who said he was going to ban himself, whatever that means? Did it happen? Why is he still here?
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Old 11-10-2017, 02:21 PM   #39
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Wait, isn't Rifleman the guy who said he was going to ban himself, whatever that means? Did it happen? Why is he still here?
He unbanned himself.
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He was never technically banned to begin with. Briv wouldn't allow it. Instead he took a (very) temporary leave of absence from the site.
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