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Old 12-07-2017, 09:14 AM   #921
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:55 AM   #922
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I would have like the city & state to have invested in a underground transit for the area for Seaport or other Monorail ideas or concepts. before the developments starting to get built. I would have rather see the infrastructure in place.
Then consider giving incentives for the developers to pretty much develop the area if their was no demand.
This will happen on the week of two Tuesdays and not a moment sooner.

City's priority is to build up where transit already is as they have no control over the shitty MBTA. Waiting for massive transit improvements before development is not only a fool's errand in the here and now, but it STILL won't stop people from moving into the city thus exacerbating the problem even more. Sitting around with your collective thumps up your asses rarely leads to an improved situation. Yes, it would be nice if the T had its act together. It would also be nice if I'd been born into a family of billionaires. Sometimes you have to play with the cards that you were dealt.
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Old 12-09-2017, 12:16 PM   #923
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Heres a different version of the rendering thats been posted before but without any of the lettering and words covering up a lot of it. It also had a drawn outline of the skyline, here its just a picture of what it would actually look like from the air.



Diff angle just for ref to the first:



I don't think this site is as bad as people say. It has our most modern rail transit line running directly up the side of the site and it gives them plenty of space to build an entire campus while still being very close to the downtown of a city. You don't get many chances to be able to build this much, this close to to a cities core. Northpoint is another example but that is rare also, were just in a good position right now that we have these two open sites. Its actually pretty similar to Silicon Valleys placement from San Jose. This gives them their own entire campus while still being very close to downtown and Cambridge and they also have a little but of separation as well where they can kind of do their own thing but be right there at the same time.

It makes Amazon its own destination while still being close and accessible. I wouldn't even worry so much that the area surrounding the campus isn't the greatest place in the world, because this campus is huge and other renders show an outdoor performance theater, a pond, landscaping, parks, ocean views, ocean access, restaurants...etc. Hell your even right next to the beach for some of that cali vibe...lol, but for real these techy people like to be able to surf and go kite surfing and things like that so even though its Revere beach it still counts haha. In the upper portion of the lower pic they even get pretty close to the river so maybe a water taxi would be another viable transportation mode. Then with Logan right there the big whigs coming into town don't have to sit through Ted Wiliams traffic and then downtown mania with our wacky street layout. Idk I think were writing this site off too quick when its really not bad, in my eyes.

Take this pic for example. Theres a park outside, a pond, and what looks to be the performance theater. Its basically its own mini city so its really all inclusive and its not that big of a deal what surrounds it as long as its close to downtown-which it is. Even then I don't think Eastie is thaat bad and they can go for some Santarpios or to piers park for an oceanfront park with skyline views for lunch.


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Old 12-09-2017, 12:20 PM   #924
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Also the Lynn mayor says he is starting to reconsider if his former Ge co gear works site would be possible. Seeing that Amazon is reported to have decided their 5 or so cities about a week ago not sure if this would still be viable, but maybe it could fall under the Boston umbrella. Either way I don't see this happening and its not a very good site. Anyways...

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Old 12-09-2017, 07:25 PM   #925
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Lynn will be a great site when we finally get BLX to Lynn--the kind of project I'd like to see funded by TIF and local contributions.
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Old 12-10-2017, 08:44 AM   #926
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Put housing in there. The 1,200 units needs to ne 4,000 units with 180 parking spaces, each costing a small fortune.

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Old 12-10-2017, 09:09 AM   #927
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Lol did you type in where you sent it from? That doesnt automatically happen on forums.
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:46 AM   #928
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Lynn will be a great site when we finally get BLX to Lynn--the kind of project I'd like to see funded by TIF and local contributions.
Lynn with BLX works from a transit perspective, but highway access is really horrible -- even worse than Suffolk Downs in my opinion. No matter how much transit you provide, some people are going to need car access.
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:25 AM   #929
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Lynn with BLX works from a transit perspective, but highway access is really horrible -- even worse than Suffolk Downs in my opinion. No matter how much transit you provide, some people are going to need car access.
You Just need to make a direct connection from Rt 1 to Rt 107 (like was planned decades ago and the ramps are stub ended at Rt60 already.) And then you need to run a road along the remaining GE campus and you have either 1 or 0 stop light access from Rt 1 just north of Rt 16 at Rt 60. We are talking maybe $100 million or $200 million in ramps and roadwork. Vastly improving road access to Lynn are low hanging fruit... (if not for the politics of building new roads to actually improve car transportation).

The new roads really needs to happen either way if Lynn waterfront development is going to happen to the level they have been planning. The existing two commuter rail stations can be leveraged to make it a TOD with hopefully Indigo service coming in the next ten years.

But the old Gearworks site is insufficient... really need to be talking about all of the Lynn Waterfront with multiple owners for Amazon and for the full build-out. (Maybe more of the remaining GE campus also?) That said I think Amazon would prefer a Boston/Cambridge address for their main facility and Lynn is more about being the next next big thing and putting the investments in now to keep getting it ready.

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For reference here is their Lynn waterfront plan (image downsized,click link for full size version) from a few years back which shows the area towards the harbor side across the Lynnway from the former GE Gear Plant site:


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Old 12-21-2017, 10:32 AM   #930
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NSRL is being effectively "Dean Smith 4 Cornered" (comedic trivia question -
"Who was the last coach to keep Michael Jordan to under 15 points per game?"), West Station is put off by the Baker Administration until 2040, and Boston still can't get out of its own way on infrastructure since the "calamity" (wut?) in some peoples' minds of the Big Dig - which I state is the BEST thing to happen to Boston since the filling in of the Back Bay.

If I am Jeff Bezos, owner of the Washington Post, I am choosing Port Covington (Baltimore).

As I said before, there are other cities (who are way behind Boston at the moment) who are actually embracing the possibilities of the 21st century:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...464101543.html
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:24 PM   #931
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NSRL is being effectively "Dean Smith 4 Cornered" (comedic trivia question -
"Who was the last coach to keep Michael Jordan to under 15 points per game?"), West Station is put off by the Baker Administration until 2040, and Boston still can't get out of its own way on infrastructure since the "calamity" (wut?) in some peoples' minds of the Big Dig - which I state is the BEST thing to happen to Boston since the filling in of the Back Bay.

If I am Jeff Bezos, owner of the Washington Post, I am choosing Port Covington (Baltimore).

As I said before, there are other cities (who are way behind Boston at the moment) who are actually embracing the possibilities of the 21st century:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...464101543.html
You're choosing a site with a potential future streetcar line and an avowedly anti-transit State Government that just cancelled light rail expansion in Baltimore over a site adjacent to two underutilized heavy-rail transit stations... because Boston is putting off building a commuter rail station 5 miles away to ensure that layover yards are available to maintain high-quality suburban service and hasn't bought into the pipe dream (literally) that is hyperloop?

Interesting logic...
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:55 PM   #932
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Never hurts to get the perspective of people who actually live there.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...322-story.html
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:26 PM   #933
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You're choosing a site with a potential future streetcar line and an avowedly anti-transit State Government that just cancelled light rail expansion in Baltimore over a site adjacent to two underutilized heavy-rail transit stations... because Boston is putting off building a commuter rail station 5 miles away to ensure that layover yards are available to maintain high-quality suburban service and hasn't bought into the pipe dream (literally) that is hyperloop?

Interesting logic...
It's folks who call the Hyperloop a "pipe dream" and shrug at the NSRL and the BR Connection gathering dust and "yes, we'll look at building that station MAYBE in 2040 (talking about trolling the public!)in an area where Harvard will be building an entirely new neighbor because we need tens of acres in this highly sought location to garage trains!!!" that ensures other cities will march ahead in the 21st century.

The Blue Line was built and expanded between 1904-1954. Bravo. We are leaning on 60+ year old infrastructure. That'll hold 'em!

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Old 12-21-2017, 03:33 PM   #934
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Yes. Boston has almost every advantage over Baltimore - - except cost and the potential to accept building future mass transit infrastructure. Too many folks in eastern Massachusetts deride the Big Dig as if it was a net negative. That's crazy.

Meanwhile, Baker would rather build Ike Eisenhower highways and garage trains in Allston.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:42 PM   #935
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I hate to tell you guys this, but the Hyperloop isn't actually a real thing, and isn't ever going to actually be a real thing.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:44 PM   #936
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I hate to tell you guys this, but the Hyperloop isn't actually a real thing, and isn't ever going to actually be a real thing.
"This silly Google/Tesla/Amazon/Apple thing won't ever actually become a profitable company, people are just chasing moonshadows....."

Zuckerberg knew what he was doing when he fled.

And the flatfooted Luddites of Massachusetts are fooling themselves into thinking Bezos will ever actually consider .......maybe in 2040! Hey at least we kept the damn Olympics away!

Boston/Cambridge's weakness is that Town usually beats Gown on the big planning issues.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:49 PM   #937
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"This silly Google/Tesla/Amazon/Apple thing won't ever actually become a profitable company, people are just chasing moonshadows....."

Zuckerberg knew what he was doing when he fled.

And the Luddites in Massachusetts are fooling themselves into thinking Bezos will ever actually consider them.......maybe in 2040!
Okay, call me when you see any prototype of anything related to a hyperloop that works in any capacity that isn't a toy, or when you see even a toy version with a human passenger. Until then...it's vaporware.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:59 PM   #938
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Bezos is far more interested in tech visas than he is the possibility of a hyperloop, some day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/n...tech-jobs.html

This would tend to boost Toronto's chances.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:36 PM   #939
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Bezos is far more interested in tech visas than he is the possibility of a hyperloop, some day.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/n...tech-jobs.html

This would tend to boost Toronto's chances.
As a futuristic-thinker, he's probably interested in BOTH the tech visa issue and groundbreaking transportation technologies.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:41 PM   #940
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Okay, call me when you see any prototype of anything related to a hyperloop that works in any capacity that isn't a toy, or when you see even a toy version with a human passenger. Until then...it's vaporware.

You keep skating to where the puck is currently.........

Meanwhile others are inventing the future that you are forfeiting for your "call me when you see it" present.

Bezos sees that attitude in Massachusetts which is why he will choose to go elsewhere, just like the Zuckerbergs, Musks, Jobs, Gates, etc..... I don't blame them at all. Nobody beats us in education, but there is a reason why they all leave. Why should the innovators be slowed down by the flat-footed Terry O'Reilly skaters?
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