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Old 02-27-2018, 09:02 AM   #421
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/n...T.nav=top-news

Good article about Logan’s management. Nice change from all the previous bad press concerning passenger wait times at customs/immigration at Terminal E.

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Old 02-27-2018, 11:48 AM   #422
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I liked that article and learned some things about Massport I hadn't known. To date (knock on wood) I've never experienced a meltdown, or even an operational delay, at Logan anywhere near as bad as I have in NY airports, O'Hare, or (worst of all) Heathrow. I'd always assumed that it was a function of being a smaller airport, but looks like active and engaged management plays a large role.
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Old 03-19-2018, 08:32 PM   #423
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Has anyone see any of the Terminal B construction up close? Is it progressing along?
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:08 AM   #424
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Facilities discussion begins on 152, with the first-ever public renderings of Terminal B addition. (what better time than when the project's nearly complete?) One interesting thing: AA will no longer have a 777-capable gate in B, which means they either will be sending transatlantic departures to E or will be fully outsourcing them to BA, Iberia, et al.

Great hall opens in the first week of September. AA will move all ops by January.

http://www.massport.com/media/2766/m..._watermark.pdf

First slide also has the selected design for Terminal E visible as a footprint, but still no APM.
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:41 AM   #425
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AA will no longer have a 777-capable gate in B, which means they either will be sending transatlantic departures to E or will be fully outsourcing them to BA, Iberia, et al.
AA hasn't flown transatlantic from Boston for at least four years* and by the end they were down to two daily 757s to Heathrow.

* Forgot about the seasonal Paris flights, also a 757.
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Old 04-13-2018, 09:51 AM   #426
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AA hasn't flown transatlantic from Boston for at least four years* and by the end they were down to two daily 757s to Heathrow.

* Forgot about the seasonal Paris flights, also a 757.
Fair enough. I haven't flown transatlantic from Boston in longer
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Old 04-13-2018, 10:25 AM   #427
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Facilities discussion begins on 152, with the first-ever public renderings of Terminal B addition. (what better time than when the project's nearly complete?)

Great hall opens in the first week of September. AA will move all ops by January.

http://www.massport.com/media/2766/m..._watermark.pdf

First slide also has the selected design for Terminal E visible as a footprint, but still no APM.


















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Old 04-13-2018, 11:31 AM   #428
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One thing that stood out on the "who pays for what" page is the $20m American is putting into the Admirals Club. Seems high for a renovation.
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Old 04-13-2018, 11:49 AM   #429
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I could be wrong here, but on Slide 171 you can see the bottom of the AA neon logo sign. Is there already a duplicate there, or are they moving the one from the other side?
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Old 04-13-2018, 12:07 PM   #430
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That looks pretty fantastic, especially considering how the terminal currently looks.
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Old 04-20-2018, 12:44 PM   #431
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Massport has issued an RFP for APM design services:

https://www.massport.com/capitalprog...1/L1557-S1.pdf
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:21 AM   #432
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...UuJ/story.html

Wow, MassPort is looking to connect all the terminals to the Blue Line station! It's about damn time they got serious about this.
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:31 AM   #433
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Wow, MassPort is looking to connect all the terminals to the Blue Line station! It's about damn time they got serious about this.
+1. Took the words right out of my mouth, but I went stronger than "damn".


.....and btw, note the distinct scent of Amazon Suffolk Downs in:

"The idea grew out of a proposal in 2015 by Massport, which operates Logan, to build a moving sidewalk between the Blue Line station and Terminal E, where the number of international flights and passengers has surged. Massport chief executive Thomas Glynn said the agency now sees a transit line stopping at each of Logan’s four terminals as a more comprehensive solution.....

.....Passengers [currently] coming by the Blue Line or the new Silver Line service from Chelsea must take shuttle buses a half-mile or more along Logan’s crowded roads.....

...It would make it easier for people to use the Blue Line, for people to get to and from the airport,” he said. “To the extent something can reduce the time it takes to get from Airport Station to the particular terminal you’re going to, and increase the reliability, that could be positive.”

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Old 04-25-2018, 09:28 AM   #434
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Im not a fan of this. APMs are ridiculously expensive, and youre not serving that many people. Logan is a compact airport, it is already easy to transfer terminals.

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The LAX plan is $5 billion.

We can help more people with that money in other places.
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Im not a fan of this. APMs are ridiculously expensive, and youre not serving that many people. Logan is a compact airport, it is already easy to transfer terminals.



The LAX plan is $5 billion.

We can help more people with that money in other places.
Actually, we can't - the money would be aviation revenue and is Federally-mandated to be spent on aviation uses.

The primary use case here isn't for transferring terminals, it's for getting people from every terminal to/from the Blue Line and clearing the terminal roadways of bus congestion. It would/will be interesting to study different shuttle concepts and configurations that reflect the proximity of the terminals to each other.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:44 AM   #436
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...UuJ/story.html

Wow, MassPort is looking to connect all the terminals to the Blue Line station! It's about damn time they got serious about this.
In the Globe's graphic (which is sourced from Massport) "Terminal E" station isn't actually at Terminal E. It's next to the future gate expansion, but still >1,000 ft from the actual terminal entrance. Wouldn't it make more sense to locate it at the bridge to E directly north of Central Parking? Or maybe keep the E station where it is in this graphic but add another "Terminal D" station on the bridge .



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Massport officials cautioned it would take at least 10 years for such a system to get up and running and could cost $1 billion or more.
"$1 billion or more"? Ugh.
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Old 04-25-2018, 10:03 AM   #437
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Do the current Blue Line to airport terminal shuttle buses encounter significant traffic congestion? Why not just buy some battery powered buses?
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Old 04-25-2018, 10:36 AM   #438
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Do the current Blue Line to airport terminal shuttle buses encounter significant traffic congestion? Why not just buy some battery powered buses?
I've never experienced "significant congestion." But what I have experienced is annoyingly long waits for buses to come, waits for them to roll out, and slow boarding/disembarking at terminals and stops. I've also seen people get confused about which bus to get on - especially when trying to catch a imminently departing shuttle bus. An APM would be a faster, easier, and more convenient connection. It would be on par with other major airports.

I get that you CAN currently switch between terminals, and you CAN currently get between the terminals and the blue line station, but it's not user friendly for visitors. Walking out to ground transportation and trying to find the right pickup spot (there are car shuttles, hotel shuttles, satellite lot shuttles, train shuttles, the silver line, etc.) and identify the vehicle as it approaches is frustrating. Especially after a long haul flight. an APM is easy. Jump on and ride it to the train station.

Logan is compact and close to downtown - big plus for that. But it's not very friendly to the uninitiated. A better connection to the Blue Line would help.

Also, a Red/Blue connection would be even better. But (Billion dollar +) baby steps...
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Old 04-25-2018, 10:55 AM   #439
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Why not just buy some battery powered buses?
I suggest reading the article which discusses why buses are not desirable in this situation. Other than the cost (which as others have noted will come from aviation revenues which are restricted) I can't see how anyone could think this is a bad idea. Traffic in and around the airport is absolutely an issue that is only going to get worse in the coming years.
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Old 04-25-2018, 10:57 AM   #440
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The benefit of our radial airport is that pathways from terminals converge in a convenient central point. If they can straighten the APM route and limit it to a few stations, the cost will fall. Place a single station at Central Parking where the walkway system converges, another station at the new part of Terminal E (which will become the "center" of E) and then a final station at the BL. 3 stops, straight track. Way cheaper than building this weird incomplete loop. Spur to ConRAC, if absolutely necessary.
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