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Old 08-29-2016, 10:14 AM   #41
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Video showing what the new amtrak trains will look like.

https://youtu.be/WH-3FsmU6KQ


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"Yesterday, vice president Joe Biden and other government officials announced a $2.5 billion loan to Amtrak, the national passenger railroad, to finance the replacement of Acela trains and perform upgrades to stations along the route, which runs from Boston through New York and Philadelphia before terminating in Washington."


http://qz.com/768405/this-is-what-th...ca-looks-like/












According to a few articles the trains will be faster and can also tilt when they go through corners allowing higher speeds where before they would have to slow down.

WOW!

These look very ultra-modern, streamlined, sleek & sexy! Love the color scheme, also.

But I'm concerned about the tilting of the trains. Looks like it tilts a lot more than the present trains in use. Gotta ask yourself; Will trays & drinks fall of the tray tables in first class or business?

But overall, they look very nice. Anyone know how soon they'll be made?

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Old 08-29-2016, 10:21 AM   #42
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As long as it isn't tilting more than it needs to it shouldn't even be all that noticeable it is tilting while you are riding in the train because centrifugal force will be pulling you towards the floor of the train the tilt is to offset that force to make the ride comfortable.
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Old 08-29-2016, 10:26 AM   #43
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Thanks.

The present Acela trains look like they are beginning to show their age now. One thing that I DID notice is that these new train will not have the now familiar & distinctive Viewliner shape. Unless more refinements are coming.

Will it still feature 2 power cars & six passenger cars? I love that Amtrak has brought back the old flavor of the red, white, gray & blue paint scheme!!

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Old 08-30-2016, 12:16 PM   #44
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Globe article,
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...ARM/story.html

As for the number of passenger cars per train, these cars are modularized, so cars can be added and subtracted. Don't know whether AMTRAK is also buying additional passenger cars for this purpose.
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Old 08-30-2016, 03:24 PM   #45
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stellarfun,

A bit more info from RailwayAge,

Alstom lands Amtrak next-gen NEC trainset contract

http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/...el=&Itemid=345

Alstom describes the Avelia Liberty as the latest development in its high-speed trainset portfoilio. “The new trainset will be able to carry up to 33% more passengers than the current Acela Expresstrains,” Alstom said. “Its configuration includes an innovative compact power car and nine passenger cars, with the possibility of three more being added if demand grows. The train is capable of travelling at speeds up to 300 kph (186 mph), but will initially operate at a maximum speed of 257 kph (160 mph) based on NEC track speed limits. Additionally, each concentrated power car is equipped with Alstom’s pioneering Crash Energy Management (CEM) system. Another key feature is the trainset’s articulated architecture, which provides greater stability and passenger comfort while enhancing safety. The Avelia Liberty also includes Alstom’s innovative Tiltronix anticipative tilting technology, which allows it to negotiate curves safely and more comfortably at high speeds.”

A puppy-faced, beautiful train.
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Old 08-30-2016, 05:24 PM   #46
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So is the 33% capacity increase in the 9 car base set or if you expand that set out to 12?
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Old 08-30-2016, 07:39 PM   #47
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I understand the paragraph to state that the new train sets, with of a configuration of nine passenger cars, results in a 33% increase of passengers over the current train sets. Three more cars, equaling twelve, can be added for additional passengers beyond the 33% increase. I don't think I've seen an existing Acela train with nine passenger cars on the Northeast Corridor, but, I might be mistaken.


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Article from USA TODAY covers stick n move's post and a little bit more:

Amtrak unveils new Acela trains
(Avelia Liberty trains)

http://usat.ly/2caDbbg

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Old 08-30-2016, 11:14 PM   #48
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I understand the paragraph to state that the new train sets, with of a configuration of nine passenger cars, results in a 33% increase of passengers over the current train sets. Three more cars, equaling twelve, can be added for additional passengers beyond the 33% increase. I don't think I've seen an existing Acela train with nine passenger cars on the Northeast Corridor, but, I might be mistaken.


August 30
Article from USA TODAY covers stick n move's post and a little bit more:

Amtrak unveils new Acela trains
(Avelia Liberty trains)

http://usat.ly/2caDbbg
Acela's power cars are on-paper rated for 9, but that probably isn't real-world doable with how temparamental they are. There was a proposal in 2010 to send the Acelas through midlife overhaul, manufacture a new order of passenger cars to expand the existing sets to 8 car, and repurpose the displaced HHP-8 conventional locomotives into 6-car rated Acela power cars to create several more trainsets. But price tag and maint requirements for making Frankensteins out of Frankensteins was so ghastly they scrapped the idea instantaneously and immediately started from scratch.
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Acela's power cars are on-paper rated for 9, but that probably isn't real-world doable with how temparamental they are. There was a proposal in 2010 to send the Acelas through midlife overhaul, manufacture a new order of passenger cars to expand the existing sets to 8 car, and repurpose the displaced HHP-8 conventional locomotives into 6-car rated Acela power cars to create several more trainsets. But price tag and maint requirements for making Frankensteins out of Frankensteins was so ghastly they scrapped the idea instantaneously and immediately started from scratch.

Frankensteins out of Frankensteins. Hah! I like that. Yeah, that would've caused them to have created a money pit.

In the vid, it shows that some or all of the passenger cars will share the same bogie on the ends.
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Frankensteins out of Frankensteins. Hah! I like that. Yeah, that would've caused them to have created a money pit.

In the vid, it shows that some or all of the passenger cars will share the same bogie on the ends.
These are swappable, though. Not like a regular car that can detach/attach at-will...they're still hard-coupled. But they can do it with tools in the yard during downtime that lasts couple hours, not half a week. Will help equipment uptime enormously, since 1 car down for maintenance no longer needs to knock the whole trainset out-of-service.


Rumors are they're keeping 1 full Acela consist post-retirement to use as a high-speed track geometry and test train, since none of the regular work fleet can do their thing at any higher than 125 MPH. One (probably shortened by a couple cars) will certainly be going to a rail museum somewhere as an exhibit for America's first-ever HSR fleet, and the rest will just be razorblade fodder back at the Bombardier factory. Probably with the staff at Wilmington shops giving a standing ovation at being cured of their PTSD when the blowtorch first starts cutting them up.
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Old 08-31-2016, 01:09 PM   #51
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These are swappable, though. Not like a regular car that can detach/attach at-will...they're still hard-coupled. But they can do it with tools in the yard during downtime that lasts couple hours, not half a week. Will help equipment uptime enormously, since 1 car down for maintenance no longer needs to knock the whole trainset out-of-service.


Rumors are they're keeping 1 full Acela consist post-retirement to use as a high-speed track geometry and test train, since none of the regular work fleet can do their thing at any higher than 125 MPH. One (probably shortened by a couple cars) will certainly be going to a rail museum somewhere as an exhibit for America's first-ever HSR fleet, and the rest will just be razorblade fodder back at the Bombardier factory. Probably with the staff at Wilmington shops giving a standing ovation at being cured of their PTSD when the blowtorch first starts cutting them up.

Some of the dough is supposed to be used for track work and station modernizations. Penn Station in New York and a few others were mentioned, as well as Union Station in DC.

Do you know what type of track work was mentioned & the extent of it? Guess that they are still not going with that multi-billion dollar plan that once neccesitated a whole new separate set of tracks in their own new corridor.
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Frankensteins out of Frankensteins. Hah! I like that. Yeah, that would've caused them to have created a money pit.

In the vid, it shows that some or all of the passenger cars will share the same bogie on the ends.
That would be "Fronkensteen" of course In honor of the recently Late great Gene Wilder
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Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: "Fronkensteen."
Igor: You're putting me on.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No, it's pronounced "Fronkensteen."
Igor: Do you also say "Froaderick"?
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: No... "Frederick."
Igor: Well, why isn't it "Froaderick Fronkensteen"?
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: It isn't; it's "Frederick Fronkensteen."
Igor: I see.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You must be Igor.
[He pronounces it ee-gor]
Igor: No, it's pronounced "eye-gor."
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Old 09-10-2016, 01:35 PM   #53
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Also, I wonder if some of the platforms at the stations will be lengthened to accommodate
the new longer Acela II train sets.

Since the radically new train sets have this new versatility which is not feasible with the existing Acela trains. I think also, that they also might want to include seat belts in the new trains, since they appear to tilt a little further on curved sections of the tracks than the existing ones, & that they can reach tops speeds of 186mph. But this speed may never be used. Just saying.
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Also, I wonder if some of the platforms at the stations will be lengthened to accommodate
the new longer Acela II train sets.

Since the radically new train sets have this new versatility which is not feasible with the existing Acela trains. I think also, that they also might want to include seat belts in the new trains, since they appear to tilt a little further on curved sections of the tracks than the existing ones, & that they can reach tops speeds of 186mph. But this speed may never be used. Just saying.
You don't feel the tilt, the centrifugal force from the train moving around the curve pushes you in the direction of the tilted floor.

You don't need seatbelts on high-speed rail, very smooth ride. (Were it not smooth you could not go fast!) I have been on numerous trains much faster in France and Japan. No seat belts needed.
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I think that the smoothness comes from the concrete ties and the fact that the tracks are welded together, instead of being bolted together.
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I think that the smoothness comes from the concrete ties and the fact that the tracks are welded together, instead of being bolted together.
And near constant track maintenance and alignment work. They really stay on top of the rail quality and alignment.
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Otherwise, there would be complaints from loyal customers who have become so accustomed to riding the trains very frequently.

After all, Amtrak wants to stay competitive with shuttle airlines that offer service to New York City & Washington, DC.
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Otherwise, there would be complaints from loyal customers who have become so accustomed to riding the trains very frequently.

After all, Amtrak wants to stay competitive with shuttle airlines that offer service to New York City & Washington, DC.
Or, in the actual high-speedish areas, there are accidents killing people due to neglect in maintenance, which has the potential to really lose loyal customers.
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Or, in the actual high-speedish areas, there are accidents killing people due to neglect in maintenance, which has the potential to really lose loyal customers.

One such accident is the deadly one that occurred on May 12, 2015 just north of Philly.

But that was said to be caused by something unrelated to maintenance. It still has yet to be determined what had actually caused it.

Speed was involved though. Nine people were killed as a result of it.
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One such accident is the deadly one that occurred on May 12, 2015 just north of Philly.

But that was said to be caused by something unrelated to maintenance. It still has yet to be determined what had actually caused it.

Speed was involved though. Nine people were killed as a result of it.
The NTSB in May said it was caused by 'loss of situational awareness' by the operator, who thought he was in a different curve. The operator was going 102mph in a 50mph zone. It was also the regional, not the Acela. Maintenance was not a factor.
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