archBOSTON.org

Go Back   archBOSTON.org > Boston's Built Environment > Development Projects

Development Projects New urban and/or architectural developments in Boston metro.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-10-2009, 02:39 PM   #41
PaulC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,617
New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

http://www.bostonherald.com/business...ess&position=3
Quote:
The Christian Science Church has launched an ambitious effort to revitalize its 14.5-acre plaza, but won?t reveal details of the plan that is expected to include at least one office building.

?The Boston Redevelopment Authority has asked us to start the public process and give an introduction to the church and not much more,? said Barbara Burley, senior manager at the First Church of Christ, Scientist. ?We have some ideas, but it?s premature to talk about them right now.?

Burley made her remarks at an early morning meeting of the Citizens Advisory Committee, a 16-member panel appointed by Mayor Thomas M. Menino to advise the city on development of the church?s real estate at Huntington and Massachusetts Avenue, across the street from Symphony Hall. Burley outlined three goals at the City Hall session: enhancing the public space around the church, which she called the largest privately owned open space in Boston, improving water management and new construction.


Burley was unsure about the zoning height limits, but a BRA spokeswoman said any new construction would be limited to 7-to-11 stories unless there is a zoning change. Neighborhood sources say the church wants to built a 10-to-20 story office tower.

State Rep. Byron Rushing, a Boston Democrat and CAC member, said the Christian Science Plaza Revitalization project is one of four developments in the planning stages that include a Massachusetts Turnpike Authority air-rights project above the turnpike at Massachusetts Avenue and Bostonian Street as well as Northeastern University and Berklee College of Music?s expansion.

?We?re talking about a lot of development and it?s very close together,? he said. ?There should be one permanent CAC that the community elects to coordinate review of these plans.?
PaulC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 02:56 PM   #42
vanshnookenraggen
Moderator
 
vanshnookenraggen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City
Posts: 5,930
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

The only thing they need to do to improve the plaza is to tear down that motel across the street and build a 7-11 story building that fills in the street wall.

They need to be very careful with how they do this.

Edit: here is a Google Map of what would probably work.
__________________
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com | http://futurembta.com | http://hyperrealcartography.tumblr.com
brivx: well, my philosophy is: as designers, we make a good theater, we dont direct the play
vanshnookenraggen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 03:02 PM   #43
Suffolk 83
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: South End
Posts: 1,761
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Paul, thanks for all the info you post here btw.
Suffolk 83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 03:17 PM   #44
sidewalks
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 576
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

They certainly do need to be careful...it's a fantastic public space.
sidewalks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 03:51 PM   #45
underground
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North End
Posts: 2,385
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

1) Why are we talking about tweaking one of our public spaces that actually works well when we have so many others that are in need of tweaking (or are out right disasters)?

2) Aren't the CS-ers trying to sell off their property? I seem to remember hearing that they are in SERIOUS financial trouble. Why are they suddenly talking about developing more property?
underground is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 04:03 PM   #46
Ron Newman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Davis Square, Somerville, MA
Posts: 8,399
Send a message via AIM to Ron Newman
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Presumably because selling off or developing some of their property is a way for them to get OUT of financial trouble.

But I agree that they should first look to tear down and redevelop that motel they own. I think they also own some one- or two-story commercial storefronts along Mass. Ave. that Berklee would love to have.
Ron Newman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 04:12 PM   #47
jass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,749
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Quote:
Originally Posted by underground View Post
1) Why are we talking about tweaking one of our public spaces that actually works well when we have so many others that are in need of tweaking (or are out right disasters)?
"which she called the largest privately owned open space in Boston"

WHy would they invest in other areas when they own this?
jass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 06:44 PM   #48
kz1000ps
Senior Member
 
kz1000ps's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: man hat tan
Posts: 7,371
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

The rows of trees along Huntington seem like a good location, but ONLY as long as they don't get rid of the planters along the reflecting pool. Keep some kind of a vegetative barrier there and I'd be fine. Actually, I'd love to see Hungtington grow up the way it has when heading towards Copley.

Slightly off-topic, but while looking at Van's map, I noticed some weird writing on the roofs of some apartments....??



Nose raur? rour? what?
__________________
Politicians, ugly buildings and whores all get respectable if they last long enough.
kz1000ps is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 06:48 PM   #49
vanshnookenraggen
Moderator
 
vanshnookenraggen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City
Posts: 5,930
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

That's been there for a long time and I still have no idea.

"Nose Boub"?
__________________
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com | http://futurembta.com | http://hyperrealcartography.tumblr.com
brivx: well, my philosophy is: as designers, we make a good theater, we dont direct the play
vanshnookenraggen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:01 PM   #50
PaulC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,617
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

I done a bad thing, could this thread be merged with an already existing one:
http://www.archboston.org/community/...ight=christian
PaulC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:04 PM   #51
PaulC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,617
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanshnookenraggen View Post
The only thing they need to do to improve the plaza is to tear down that motel across the street and build a 7-11 story building that fills in the street wall.

They need to be very careful with how they do this.

Edit: here is a Google Map of what would probably work.
Could you post that I have trouble with Google and Safari.
PaulC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:16 PM   #52
castevens
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,051
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

__________________
Flickr
castevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:20 PM   #53
KentXie
Senior Member
 
KentXie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fenway
Posts: 3,557
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

The park should be where it is built. It can probably fit a Hilton size tower. I like that area though. From where I work there, you can see so much variety in types of architecture. You see the Greek revival, gritty brownstone, and then a modern tower.
KentXie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:33 PM   #54
Patriots_1228
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 368
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

always loved this complex, it was my desktop for a few months. Beautiful church, area makes for some great pictures, especially with the pru and whatnot in the background.
Patriots_1228 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:43 PM   #55
czsz
Senior Member
 
czsz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 6,052
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

The NIMBYs would martyr themselves before they let a park get developed.
czsz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 08:56 PM   #56
PaulC
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,617
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

I don't know who owns that parking lot on Belvidere street but I know they recently went to the city for a continued use variance. Either way this would be a great place for a tower. The addition to the Hilton was phase 1 of a two phase project. Phase 2 was a very big and I think taller addition to the rear. I have a pic on an old computer I'll try do dig up. There is also a transformer or switching building on Belvidere St that would be nice to see developed.

This is what I found on the city's web site about that triangle:
PUBLIC UNPROTECTED OPEN SPACES
Site Name Acreage Ownership Zoning Protection
Belvidere/Dalton Plaza 0.15 COB/PWD Comm/Special
COB/PWD = City of Boston Public Works Department

The only two places on the CS plaza I could see a tower working is at the junction of the publishing building(who does publishing in the city anymore) and the colonnade building and the second site would be along Huntington Ave beside the tower building, on the other side of Cumberland St. If the new building is on the plaza they have to bring I M Pei(bring him back for the Kennedy Center for the Study of the US Senate too). Maybe it's time to revive the original Hancock design:http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?i...signforka8.jpg for the CS Plaza, and the original Columbia point Kennedy Library design for the Senate center.

Nothing taller than the Greenhouse Apartment building is likely to be built at the Mid Town Motor Inn. A tall building may be acceptable beside Symphony Tower East.

Last edited by PaulC; 02-10-2009 at 09:39 PM.
PaulC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 10:11 PM   #57
Padre Mike
Senior Member
 
Padre Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 651
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Wasn't there a past problem with dropping water table levels, resulting in the tearing down of a block of houses across from the Hilton?
Padre Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 11:17 PM   #58
bbfen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,021
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Quote:
Originally Posted by Padre Mike View Post
Wasn't there a past problem with dropping water table levels, resulting in the tearing down of a block of houses across from the Hilton?
Lots of questions in this thread. I'll answer and add some.

Groundwater recharge is an issue in the entire Clearway/St. Germain/Belvidere neighborhood, probably not helped when Christian Science developed as deeply and broadly as they did. In fairness, the importance of groundwater issue in early 70s Boston wasn't as fully recognized as legitimate as it is today.

Under the small plot of land (triangle) is the large oil holding tank that services the campus.

The parking lot run by the FitzInn brothers on Belvidere is a different parking lot than the one across alley on (south) Dalton. Two different owners. The Abbey Group manages the residential lot and buildings.

Someone once told me that some other project rejected acres of dressed marble, that Christian Science snapped them up for a song and had some more cut to form the sides of what's now the reflecting pool. The church never talks about anything, but surely some of you guys remember? True or tale?

Also, who remembers the recent renovation of the publishing building, and the constant acres of shifting dirt near the apse of the old church?

Finally, the pedestrian/golf cart tunnel across Mass Ave from the Mother Church to Church Park apartments? True or tale? It's obviously possible to move underground between buildings on the campus itself, but across Mass Ave? Was the city that deep into the church's pocket at the time?
bbfen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2009, 11:51 PM   #59
tmac9wr
Senior Member
 
tmac9wr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,338
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

Is the hotel that everyone is talking about that ultra-shit box hotel that is like 2 stories tall and should only be seen in the run down part of a rural area? If so, I remember walking by that hotel like 4 years ago when I was in college and thinking "I can't believe that hotel is located there!" and hoping someone would do something about it. If the Christian Science Church owns that plot too, why the heck wouldn't they just destroy that horrid hotel?!

Last edited by tmac9wr; 02-11-2009 at 09:42 AM.
tmac9wr is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2009, 02:08 AM   #60
eaalkaline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 81
Re: New tower at Christian Science Church Plaza

yes, i believe its called the midtown hotel and it truly does need to be replaced
eaalkaline is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Back Bay Garage Tower | Dartmouth and Stuart | Back Bay Hutchison Development Projects 623 11-21-2017 04:40 PM
Boston Properties Office Tower | 888 Boylston Street | Back Bay Rick Development Projects 1171 09-04-2017 04:24 PM
Copley Place Expansion and Tower | Back Bay Mike Development Projects 2243 09-01-2017 09:10 PM
30 Dalton St. Residences | Back Bay Equilibria Development Projects 482 04-27-2017 05:26 PM
Liberty Mutual Tower | 157 Berkeley Street | Back Bay PlanBoston Development Projects 1706 08-05-2014 12:48 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.