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Old 01-02-2018, 09:45 PM   #2081
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Make both of the streets one way. That could help. The street to the left towards Boston and the street to the right towards Cambridge.
That would look something like this:

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Old 01-02-2018, 09:50 PM   #2082
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One-way streets invite excessive speed and should be avoided.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:18 PM   #2083
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Those new parcels (in yellow) are still big + very big...

Gives an even better perspective of the absurd proportions of the O'Neill Fed.

Maybe you can get a skyscraper approved at the southwest corner. The other parcels are a bit close to the 2 residential + hotel highrises (by then) already up.... Which brings me back to my position that the tallish part of the O'Neill (or most of it) would stay put.
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Old 01-03-2018, 08:36 AM   #2084
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What problem are we solving here, gents?
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:17 AM   #2085
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What problem are we solving here, gents?
Exactly. It is a fantasy.

Insofar as offensive government inefficient eyesores go, this site is well down the list. And unless they can obtain a significant ROI on selling and moving (e.g. Volpe), this should not a government priority.
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Old 01-03-2018, 01:41 PM   #2086
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What problem are we solving here, gents?
Removing the O’Neil building and fixing the street grid while adding lots of developable land that as of now are random roads that wrap around the building causing tons of dead space that can be developed while adding an easy to follow street grid.

So to answer your question: developable land that did not exist before on a street grid.

Those blocks obviously wouldn’t be single buildings. Add cross streets as needed or storefronts between buildings, court yards...whatever you want.

You could fit all the needs of the O’Neill building in a taller building with a bunch more space to rent out. Then you have all those other parcels to develop as well.
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Old 01-03-2018, 01:46 PM   #2087
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Removing the O’Neil building and fixing the street grid while adding lots of developable land that as of now are random roads that wrap around the building causing tons of dead space that can be developed while adding an easy to follow street grid.
Govt should sell parcels in prime development spots and move or rent cheaper accommodations elsewhere whenever possible. O'Neil building could be dealt at a large profit vs whatever it cost to build it. City would reap new tax revenue with private development instead of currently off-tax rolls property and whatever govt agencies are in the building now could lease space in new presumably taller structure. Same concept as the ridiculous transportation building on Kneeland St that the state should be accepting bids for as we write. No need to have govt entities like the transportation dept occupying prime downtown real estate.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:08 PM   #2088
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Re: The Hub on Causeway (née TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

I can see benefits of making the folks in charge of our transportation infrastructure actually commute to, from and through the busiest transportation hub areas in the state.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:20 PM   #2089
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I can see benefits of making the folks in charge of our transportation infrastructure actually commute to, from and through the busiest transportation hub areas in the state.
Somehow I kinda doubt the bigwigs are taking public transit...

More likely they have a car and driver and get to work at off peak hours.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:38 PM   #2090
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So to answer your question: developable land that did not exist before on a street grid.
Got it.

How about:

- tighten up the weird triangle around the last tenement
- make the new street your proposing a pedestrian street or gallery
- redevev oneill as appropriate.

I just dont think you're gaining a lot of developable space by moving levrett-bound traffic from one side of the oneill parcel to another...
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Old 01-04-2018, 06:35 AM   #2091
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Your creating a traffic nightmare by forcing hundreds of cars to go to causeway and drive the new street to get to North Station garage during events. The intersection of lomasey/causeway is already a traffic mess during regular daytime traffic.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:08 AM   #2092
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It can be adjusted as need be. I like the last picture that someone made the best that one seems like it would work pretty good. Anyways it was just an idea no big deal and if we want to really get in depth we can make a new thread and hash out the fine details.

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That would look something like this:

I like this much better than the one I made haha. You could throw a cross street or ped space/corridor half way up the left yellow block that aligns with the ped corridor in NST-the one in nst that turns and heads towards causeway n call it a day. At the other end it would also align with the ped corridor that will be built when the basketball city garage goes up. So that would be adding to the pedestrian walkways and street grid of the area. Build a tall govt building on the plot next to south station to house all the employees displaced from the O’Neil building with room for plenty more offices. Then build whatever is needed on the other parcels and this is now an even denser completely rebuilt transit oriented neighborhood with a nice street grid.
-Must keep last tenement though.

The left plot could hold probably 3 towers and the right probably 2. That’s a lot of money in the sale of those plots. I think they should explore this. The O’Neil building is short too that’d be pretty easy to take down, then just relocate them into brand new office space when completed. Then with all the other lots in the area this could become its own substantial skyline with high FAA clearances allowed.


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One-way streets invite excessive speed and should be avoided.
It’s only 1 way for a block.

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Old 01-05-2018, 12:52 PM   #2093
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It’s only 1 way for a block.

I think that 1-way setup would be a traffic nightmare for more reasons than just speed. Lomasney way is a major input/output for the Leverett Connector (Storrow/93/Route 1) and Cambridge. You have a ton of traffic coming from Staniford, Causeway, and Merrimack that continues onto Lomasney to head out of the city. By adding in another intersection you'll either have to make the misaligned Portland Street intersection bigger, or add yet another set of lights to an already congested area. You're going to increase the backups involving vehicles heading to Lomasney from Merrimack and Staniford. From a vehicle standpoint, it makes things worse. And even though the scale is better (and any streetwall is better than the O'Neill), I'd wager the pedestrian experience would be worse as well. It's already a major pain to cross Merrimack, Causeway, Staniford or Lomasney at that intersection (Help Me Hank covered how bad it is a little over a year ago). Adding another major intersection (and dealing with the one way traffic loop) won't make it any better.
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Old 01-05-2018, 01:03 PM   #2094
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One-way streets invite excessive speed and should be avoided.
In this instance though it would be hard to find another way. Traffic is already horrible there, add in another intersection 10 feet from the other and you've got a disaster.

Maybe just make the new street a skinny one way going north with access only available from Causeway going westbound and Portland Street. Keep the other street a two way.
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Old 01-05-2018, 03:30 PM   #2095
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A better solution would be to re-bulldoze the entire West End and former Govt Ctr, rebuild it all with more height, narrower roads but many more of them. Blow up the ONeil on the same plan.
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Old 01-05-2018, 07:03 PM   #2096
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Fuck it just make causeway st pedestrian only. go big or go home.
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Old 01-05-2018, 09:23 PM   #2097
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Re: The Hub on Causeway (née TD Garden Towers) | 80 Causeway Street | West End

can we take all posts since 2070 and put them in a Crazy Street Grid Pitches thread?
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:11 PM   #2098
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Can someone explain the difference between the olive colored steel and the rust colored steel. I've seen this a couple of places on this project.

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Old 01-08-2018, 12:05 PM   #2099
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There's a weird formation of steel on the top left side of the residential podium. Anybody know what's going on?

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Old 01-16-2018, 11:05 PM   #2100
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