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Old 07-28-2012, 07:21 PM   #1
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Providence RIPTA Services

I noticed in the discussion of Providence's proposed streetcar that there were express-bus projects and there didn't seem to be a place to discuss them. (I've named this so it can take the Streetcar posts out of the "Providence Projects" thread if people like that)

First, consider the proposed R-Line which will overlay the two busiest bus routes in the system: Route 99 (on the north, serving Pawtucket) and Route 11 (serving Broad St on the south) and connecting the two of them with a routing connecting to the Amtrak Station:



Much better detail, which gives a sense of how far apart the limited stops are, is available here:
In this overview map and the official site:http://www.ripta.com/r-line-
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Old 07-28-2012, 07:28 PM   #2
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THere is also a kind of system map found here:
http://providencecoreconnector.com/map/

Basically the R-Line is proposed to be a limited stop service from Pawtucket to Broad Street in Cranston. If it works, it seems to me they should then run it on Post Road (Route 1) to the Airport.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:41 PM   #3
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Sounds like what we should do with our 77 and 1 buses.
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Old 07-29-2012, 05:15 PM   #4
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It's a travesty that RIPTA doesn't make their system map available on their website for download or viewing except by some ridiculous plugin I do not have nor care to get.

That having been said, what I've seen so far of the R-Line is promising, and a great first step forward.

I'm not putting it past RIPTA not to make an absolute mess of things at this point, though.
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Old 08-18-2012, 12:34 AM   #5
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It's a travesty that RIPTA doesn't make their system map available on their website for download or viewing except by some ridiculous plugin I do not have nor care to get.
Nevermind, figured out how to get to the real files.

I also figured out that the reason they are using the ridiculous zoom.it API is because half of their map is absurdly, unreasonably huge - this is a 14100 x 21292 pixel image.

The other half of their map (Greater Providence) is fine, though. Only 7199 x 10741 pixels.
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Old 08-18-2012, 02:32 PM   #6
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Re: Providence RIPTA Services

Why doesn't RIPTA run buses across the state line to serve South Attleboro station, connecting it to Pawtucket? The Attleboro transit authority runs a bus line into Pawtucket, so there can't be any legal barrier to multi-state service.
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:10 PM   #7
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Why doesn't RIPTA run buses across the state line to serve South Attleboro station, connecting it to Pawtucket? The Attleboro transit authority runs a bus line into Pawtucket, so there can't be any legal barrier to multi-state service.
Not necessarily true. There could be a legal barrier on the state level preventing RIPTA from operating outside of the state. If such a barrier existed on the Rhode Island side but not the Massachusetts side, it would explain this discrepancy.

More pragmatically, the bus line you're referring to connects Pawtucket to Attleboro station, so there's no need to connect South Attleboro station as well. Furthermore, the R-Line is going to run straight over the proposed location of the Pawtucket/Central Falls infill, which is going to connect South Attleboro and Pawtucket far better than a bus line between the Transit Center and South Attleboro station would.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:26 PM   #8
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I can't remember the law or exact terminology, but MA and RI busus cannot cross state lines unless it has been mutually agreed upon, like when GATRA (Greater Attleboro/Taunton Regional Transit Authority) ran buses between downtown Taunton and downtown Providence. This route was subsidised by one of the two states. This run ended several years ago because of low ridership.
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:33 PM   #9
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Oh, look what I found. Gotta love that Google.

RIPTA buses may stop near Mass. trains



In a recent interview with Providence Business News, John Flaherty, co-chair of the Coalition for Transportation Choices, said the state has been prevented from running a bus directly to the South Attleboro station because of federal rules which bar bus systems that receive federal money such as RIPTA from crossing state lines.

By building the turnaround just inside of Rhode Island, RIPTA would avoid needing to cross into Massachusetts.

http://www.pbn.com/RIPTA-buses-may-s...s-trains,46942
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:44 PM   #10
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The joys of arbitrary political boundaries.
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:42 PM   #11
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GATRA still runs at least one bus route into Rhode Island, according to their website. And lots of New Jersey Transit trains (maybe some buses, too?) serve Manhattan.
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:53 PM   #12
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Lots and lots of NJTransit buses go into Manhattan.

A 35 mph moving line of buses shuffles around the "helix" into the Lincoln tunnel XBL during morning rush, many of them NJT, and from there into the Port Authority NY/NJ bus terminal. And also there's buses on the other Hudson river crossings. So there's that.
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:38 AM   #13
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Oh, look what I found. Gotta love that Google.

RIPTA buses may stop near Mass. trains



In a recent interview with Providence Business News, John Flaherty, co-chair of the Coalition for Transportation Choices, said the state has been prevented from running a bus directly to the South Attleboro station because of federal rules which bar bus systems that receive federal money such as RIPTA from crossing state lines.

By building the turnaround just inside of Rhode Island, RIPTA would avoid needing to cross into Massachusetts.

http://www.pbn.com/RIPTA-buses-may-s...s-trains,46942
Dated Christmas Eve... 2009.

So much for that!
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Old 08-20-2012, 02:47 PM   #14
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See, my real problem with RIPTA is that there's zero or near-zero impact things they can be doing right now to drastically improve their service, but they're not doing any of them.

These require zero new roads, bridges, bus lanes or tunnels. Some creative minor scheduling adjustments and the abolishment of the accursed 'Park-n-Rides' bus (yes! It's literally designated Park 'n' Rides!) most likely takes care of the South County Service and both extensions, and I don't see any reason why you couldn't cover the other two new services with five new buses or less.

Hell, the 66 reroute only requires someone to get a clue and figure out that maybe, just maybe, our shiny new Wickford Junction train station is a better place to stop the bus than A PARK AND RIDE THAT'S HALF A MILE AWAY FROM IT.

If even one of those service changes went into effect at any point in the next five years, I'd be overjoyed. Hell, all six of them probably combine to a total cost of less than $2 million and 80% of THAT is likely the cost of the new buses.
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Old 01-27-2014, 03:20 PM   #15
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Re: Providence RIPTA Services

Service start 2014

http://www.ripta.com/r-line-

The R-Line is expected to begin service in May 2014.

Construction on Transit Signal Prioritization (TSP) is complete and will be fully operational by March 2014. This technology will allow buses to operate through signalized intersections with priority over general traffic and will result in significant time-savings for passenger trips.

RIPTA has finalized design for shelters and passenger amenities, and installation of this product will begin in March 2014. Shelters will be installed at 25 locations along the route to allow passengers to wait in greater comfort for their R-Line bus.

Art will be incorporated into many of the shelters along this route, a large majority of which is designed and fabricated by Rhode Islanders.

Scheduling changes will occur in June 2014, once passenger amenities are installed and TSP service is functional. Passengers can expect improved service on evenings and weekends while maintaining 10 minute service during the day and peak hours. Final schedule information will be released as it is finalized.

Buses will be painted in the upcoming months to reflect the R-Line livery that is in development. Expect these changes to go into effect for the opening of the R-Line.

Real-time data displays incorporated into each bus stop will no longer be included as part of the initial implementation of the R-Line due to budgetary constraints. Expect these improvements to occur as a separate project in the future.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:15 PM   #16
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Re: Providence RIPTA Services

The Providence R-Line has begun service (as of June 21 2014)


Has anyone seen this new BRT in action?
http://www.ripta.com/r-line-

Features include:

Elements of the R-Line include:

- Line and bus stop branding
- High-frequency, fast, limited stop service at key passenger destinations
10 min headways at peak times
15 min headways on Sat Sun
20 min headways off-peak
- Traffic signal improvements (have they implemented priority as promised?)
- Real-time bus information (& shelters)
- Roadway improvements where appropriate, including clearly designated bus stop lanes and Intersection improvements to increase safety and minimize conflicts

The estimated cost for these improvements is $6m, and is funded primarily through a HUD Community Planning Challenge Grant and ARRA stimulus funds.
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It's not true BRT - and it's intentionally branded as "Rapid Bus" not BRT - but it looks like a damn good system. No dedicated lanes (but it does have queue jumps at some intersections), but most other BRT aspects except pre-pay are there. Limited stops, high frequency, nice shelters (with brand-new public art) and good branding.

Once they extend it to T.F. Green, it'll connect the downtowns of Providence and Pawtucket with an intercity rail station, two commuter rail stations (just a block from the P/CF site), and the majority of the RIPTA network.

They made no hefty promises, but it looks like they delivered on what they did promise. This is the first properly designed rapid bus system in New England, and it only took two years to make it happen.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:55 PM   #18
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Real-time data displays incorporated into each bus stop will no longer be included as part of the initial implementation of the R-Line due to budgetary constraints. Expect these improvements to occur as a separate project in the future.
Any timeline for implementing this? Is it really that expensive to do?
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Old 01-31-2016, 07:06 PM   #19
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Not necessarily true. There could be a legal barrier on the state level preventing RIPTA from operating outside of the state. If such a barrier existed on the Rhode Island side but not the Massachusetts side, it would explain this discrepancy.

More pragmatically, the bus line you're referring to connects Pawtucket to Attleboro station, so there's no need to connect South Attleboro station as well. Furthermore, the R-Line is going to run straight over the proposed location of the Pawtucket/Central Falls infill, which is going to connect South Attleboro and Pawtucket far better than a bus line between the Transit Center and South Attleboro station would.
Just an update on this subject. Two RIPTA lines now run to South Attleboro. One line every 30 minutes and comes through Pawtucket on Broadway and Benefit to Newport. The is the #1 bus which actually starts in Warwick. The second line is the #35 bus, it runs about every 50 minutes. It comes to South Attleboro directly down the length of Newport Ave from East Providence originating in Providence running thru the East Side.
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Old 03-16-2016, 12:27 PM   #20
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Providence has settled on a final new bus-priority route through its core. I'm unclear on whether the R-1 Line (their first attempt at BRT/Priority service) will follow this new route or just run partly-on and partly-off it (anyone know?)

Called the Enhanced Transit Corridor, It will build the route using a $13m TIGER VI grant:



Article here:

The final route differs from the 2014 "Downtown Transit 2.0" draft by using Eddy Street to go all the way to Rhode Island Hospital, rather than stopping north of I-95/195 at Garrahy Judicial Complex as this earlier version did:

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