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Fluff.
A somewhat under-detailed, overly positive article on the waterfront, IMO. That's not to disparage the strides that have been made. However, it is ludicrous to claim that the BRA has done such a bang-up job with the waterfront that it will "exorcise [the] ghosts" of the West End / Charles River Park: Thanks to the BRA, the "Seaport" waterfront today is planned to be an essential repeat of CRP, with its uniform architecture, superblocks and superfluous parks. Quote:
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What parts of the Boston waterfront are "crammed with tourists"? Long Warf/Commercial Warf and maybe the Children's Museum and Charlestown Navy Yard are the only touristy areas of the waterfront that I can think of...
Also funny how the the division of the Greenway with excess cross streets was actually a city initiative to reconnect the streets with the harbor... |
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The only place even close to "crammed" is the Aquarium.
This guy probably should have walked the whole "47" miles first. |
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Has way more to do with the waterfront's transformation from industrial wasteland to recreation zone, which has occurred over the last half-century, than the much more recent efforts at the Seaport. In that sense, it's more old news than off base...the waterfront "arrived" as somewhere that wasn't a group of decaying piers filled with shifty longshoremen decades ago.
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Tourists are also at Christopher Columbus Park, Rowes Wharf, Castle Island, and the JFK Library.
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Out of curiosity, assuming many tourists do not bring a car (stats?) how do they get to JFK Library (shuttle bus from red line?) or Castle Island?
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I don't know how you could call the article fluff. Maybe a little overly optimistic, but the waterfront, taken in it's entirety (aka, not just the Seaport, which still, generally speaking has a ways to go) has done a complete 180. If you think just the Aquarium is crowded, you need to spend more time out there. From Charlestown down through the North End, Fort Point Channel, and the new Jimmy's, the area's packed with people.
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This article is the equivalent of celebrating the fact that "Boston has finally turned the corner from car culture" because of the freeway revolts in the 60s-70s and the construction of the Silver Line. |
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The continued transformation of the Navy Yard, gentrification of the North End, development through downtown thanks to removing the artery, development around Fort Point Channel, the ICA, Jimmy's Harborside, and the Boston Harbor Islands parks are all either recent developments or are things that are still developing. "Decades Ago" there was basically the Harbor Hotel, India Wharf, the Aquarium, and that's it. And even that's stretching the definition of "decades."
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The Navy Yard is never really packed. It attracts crowds but not as much as you guys are making it. Maybe during the Tall Ships and maybe during the 4th of July.
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It's one of my jogging routes, and it's packed every time I go through there on the weekend. With people going to the museum, the Constitution, the water fountain (sorry, can't remember the name), Tavern on the Water, Courageous Sailing Center, etc., etc, I think it more than qualifies as a success.
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Let's take this piece by piece.
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I don't know how you can acknowledge that the Seaport doesn't deserve this level of praise and then go on to sing the virtues of the ICA and Jimmy's Harborside. An improvement? Yes, but this area is still wildly in flux and saying it's "arrived" is a bit of a stretch. The Boston Harbor Islands are way too removed from the urban waterfront to really count for anything here. Quote:
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Sorry; I thought you'd been there way longer. Still, it's not as if people who don't live in Boston can't, you know, visit and see things with their own eyes as well. And it's not as if people who do live in Boston get out to every neighborhood in the city and experience its (re)development first hand on a constant basis. I know I barely ever visited the Seaport over several years living in Cambridge.
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The North End isn't now and won't be any time in the near future like Beacon Hill or the Back Bay, and it's the influx of new residents combined with the old that's turned it into the destination it is today. You've got some rose colored glasses on there. Joe Tecce's was never that good. Especially compared to what you can get today. The terrace at Atlantic Wharf are already a major success, the James Hook never left, and new restaurants are springing up in Fort Point Channel all the time. The Seaport deserves cautious optimism, but Jimmy's is bumping every weekend night and the ICA is mobbed with people on the weekend. They are indisputable successes. Don't know why you think the Harbor Islands aren't part of the discussion. We're talking about the waterfront and they're definitely a part of it. The pavilion and ferry terminal are also right downtown, are done very nicely, and draw a ton of visitors. Last edited by underground; 05-14-2012 at 11:53 AM. |
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The JFK Library and UMass-Boston together run a free, frequent shuttle bus from JFK/UMass station.
People who are commenting that the article is not 'news' are somewhat missing the point. This is a feature article in the Sunday roto magazine, not a front-page news article. It is not written for those of us who use the waterfront daily or weekly, but more for the much larger number of readers who live far from it and may not have gone there in years. Last edited by Ron Newman; 05-14-2012 at 12:33 PM. |
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It's not fluff because it's necessarily wrong; it's fluff because, right or wrong in its thesis, it consists of no real analysis, no numbers to back up its claim, and relies instead on a few anecdotes.
If you're going to avoid making a quantitative, fact-based case and instead want to rely on impressionist snapshots, the piece should at least be a bit longer and more in-depth (this is all of, what, 10 paragraphs?). And where are the interviews, aside from Vivian Li, the BRA and a few not-disinterested city pols (who are all obviously going to say the waterfront is seeing a renaissance)? In short, it's not very good reporting. Most importantly, there's this: Quote:
I don't understand why the author felt the need to write an apologia for the BRA, to make an argument in an "objective" feature piece (it's not an op-ed making the case for the BRA) without any scrap of evidence to show why the BRA now deserves our plaudits. You'd think he was trying to get on their good side in order to gain some zoning variance, to butter them up to go around the intentionally too-strict ordinances -- the main way things get built in Menino and the BRA's Boston. |
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Depends whether you think the 'mistake' of the West End is the demolition or the subsequent construction. If the former, the Seaport is not comparable because there was no existing neighborhood to demolish.
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