![]() |
|
|||||||
| New Development New urban and/or architectural developments in Boston metro. |
![]() |
|
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#1 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Boston / North Shore
Posts: 3,536
|
This is the first I've heard of this. This is the article in regards to the $3.1 million first phase, with a grand total of $20 million expected to go into the project.
Quote:
Anyone know where Salem Wharf is? I know Derby Wharf (the really long one, with a lighthouse at the end) and Pickering Wharf (which is just like the adjacent Derby Wharf, but much shorter). |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#2 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 726
|
It is next to the power plant. This is where the Salem Ferry is berthed. Last year they repaired the dock (damaged in a winter storm) moved the ticket office (installed restrooms (?) and a deck) and put in a paved parking lot.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#3 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Boston / North Shore
Posts: 3,536
|
Ohh... err- rough spot. I'm surprised they're not utilizing Pickering or Derby instead. I can't see much appeal in a spot literally touching the coal plant facility.
Potentially a good use of "Ferry TOD" though. |
|
|
|
|
|
#4 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 5,966
|
Cruise ships? From where? Boston? New York, skipping Boston? Just seems unlikely.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 726
|
Deep water. This is where the coalers come in and dock at the power plant. The water is too shallow by the Derry and Pickering Wharfs.
They have smaller cruise ships the roam the coast during the summer. Now that Gloucester has their new cruise terminal they are being visited during the season. These are not the mega ships that visit Boston and New York. |
|
|
|
|
|
#6 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2006
Location: South End, Boston
Posts: 244
|
Exactly. Salem Harbor is as shallow as one or two feet during some lunar low tides. Salem's historic success as a port city was based almost purely on excellent marketing by the shippers (and testament to what good marketing can do), not a good harbor. As far as harbors go, it's almost useless.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#7 |
|
Senior Member
|
The coal plant is shutting down (or maybe just converting to non-coal fuel) within the next two years.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#8 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North End
Posts: 1,288
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#9 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: brooklyn
Posts: 5,966
|
^ Yeah, but still. The Maritimes are a long way off from Boston - they're going to put into port after a few minutes in Salem? And likewise for Bermuda - is anyone hankering to go out of their way for a Salem stop first?
Salem is a really cool town and I enjoy visiting, but I think it's just too close to Boston to make a cruise port work. The only thing I could see would be some kind of really small day cruise operation plying the North Shore... |
|
|
|
|
|
#10 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Boston / North Shore
Posts: 3,536
|
They should boost the ferry service, do some whale watches, and have some seasonal fishing trip boats.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#11 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North End
Posts: 1,288
|
Salem's just the jumping off point. Even then, it's at least a half way interesting one. They'd probably draw mostly from New England, but probably also grab a few interested outsiders.
The distances aren't that far actually. The old Bar Harbor Ferry was 2.5 hours according to Wikipedia. I'd guess it could have done Salem to Halifax in about 4 or 5. That's more than enough time for a 4-7 day cruise with some stops in between. |
|
|
|
|
|
#12 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: salem ma and washington dc
Posts: 2,139
|
Derby Wharf is National Park Service land. Pickering Wharf is inaccessible to any boat with significant draft at low tide.
The power plant is to cease burning coal in 2014. Dominion Power, the owner, will shut the plant down. Another company is very interested in buying the property and converting the plant to natural gas. A big natural gas pipeline was installed running in part under the harbor between Salem and Beverly a few years ago. If the plant is converted to natural gas, that will 'free up' for development several dozen acres of land between the power plant building and the Salem Ferry site. Salem harbor is dredged to 30-35 feet IIRC in the channel between Baker's Island to the wharf at the power plant. The coal burnt at the plant is delivered by ship. The railroad spur to the power plant was discontinued perhaps 30 years ago, when the plant began using oil exclusively (before the price of oil went up). Any cruise ships are likely to be small, the 200 passenger size, not the ten deck behemoths. The van Otterloos have just endowed the directorship of the Peabody Essex Museum. <End of message>
__________________
A man gazing on the stars is at the mercy of the puddles in the road |
|
|
|
|
|
#13 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 726
|
Last year Gloucester was visited by several ships. The Seabourn Pride is the size of ship that could use a Salem wharf. If Gloucester can attract cruise lines it should be easy for Salem to join the club. I love Gloucester, but Salem has it beat "hands down" for attractions, food and history.
http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/p...sions/167847/1 The larger ships are stopping at Gloucester, but the stay outside the breakwater and ferry people to the new cruiseport. They can do the same for Salem, once the wharf is built. If, or when the footprint of the old power plant shrinks that opens up a deepwater berth on the north side of the new Salem wharf. |
|
|
|
|
|
#14 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,225
|
Quote:
Even if the plant goes away that's going to be a rough and polluted area for a very long time. Outdated coal plants are not-nice neighbors even when mothballed. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#15 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington
Posts: 2,819
|
Quote:
1) the HV wiring is alredy in place and that part of the the grid needs local generation 2) Natural gas is increasingly cheap and increasingly abundant 3) for those of you still concerned about AGW (antrhropogenic Global Warning) each kW generated by burning natual gas produces far less CO2 than the equivalent coal fired plant 4) modern combined cycle natural gas fired generation is even more effecient than the best of the coal plants 5) the total footprint for equialent generation capacity is substantially less due to no need for fuel storage, fly ash storage, scrubbers, bag houses or the like But given that our idiot politicians are behind the shuttering of the existing plant -- I'm asuming we'll get some proposal for a combined solar / wind farm generating as little energy on a good full day as what the old plant would have generated in an hour and been a far more reliable energy source |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#16 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: salem ma and washington dc
Posts: 2,139
|
The proposed conversion to a natural gas fueled plant.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...o_natural_gas/ Dominion would probably sell it for a song, given they would still be paying taxes on the facility and site, and responsible for the environmental cleanup. I am rather surprised that Dominion wouldn't want to convert it to natural gas. This is the pipeline that was built. http://www.duke-energy.com/news/rele...001050102.html
__________________
A man gazing on the stars is at the mercy of the puddles in the road |
|
|
|
|
|
#17 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,225
|
Quote:
(*Have a family member who spent 35 years as an engineer in the coal power industry. Worked on designing a lot of plant conversions from "dirty" to "clean"...-er coal. Environmental mitigation of the "dirty" operational history is always the most cost-prohibitive part of modernizing a plant, so the cost cutting-mad utilities go into it kicking and screaming every time despite the considerable upsides. Incidentally, said family member urges investing in a primo home generator for when the ages-neglected transmission lines from Canada to New England start failing en masse and cause catastrophic region-wide blackouts every few years. He creeps me out when he goes on a tangent about that, because that paranoia I know in large part is informed by terrible, terrible facts he's witnessed with his own eyes. And I really don't want to know what those are.) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#18 | |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: salem ma and washington dc
Posts: 2,139
|
Quote:
The PEPCO generating station in Alexandria VA on the Potomac is being closed this year. (For those flying into Reagan National on the upriver approach, its the plant on the left.) A bit older than Salem, always coal-fired, and the amount in escrow for environmental cleanup of the site (including any contamination of the building itself) is about $33 million.
__________________
A man gazing on the stars is at the mercy of the puddles in the road |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#19 | ||
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington
Posts: 2,819
|
Quote:
at the highest cost is the clean-clean sufficient for residential use -- can be prohibitive depending on the nature of the contaminants and their depth, concentration, dispersal next most expensive is brownfield for commercial and limited human contact such as hotels next most expensive and most common is to accomodate industrial applications -- and if the use is already permited on the site -- such as power plant -- this is reasonable finally if you just close the plant and put up a fence you don't need to do much -- but you will incur the hatred of the neighbors My guess is Salem Harbor morphs into Salem Harbor V2.0 possibly with a new owner -- a fifty year permit for a new utility plant on the site -- would allow clean-up technology to improve and so reduce long-term financial risks to the existing owner As i predicted -- here's confirmation from the globe story: http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...o_natural_gas/ Quote:
Last edited by whighlander; 02-25-2012 at 01:01 PM. Reason: improved clarity and attribution of sources |
||
|
|
|
|
|
#20 |
|
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 2,646
|
Newport is different from Salem, I realize, but we took a Cunard cruise once that was Boston > At sea > Bermuda > At sea > Newport > Boston.
It seemed silly to stop in Newport for us and probably for 90% of the clientele (I think I could see my apartment from there ...), but maybe some people liked it. I assume Salem's not as deep a port, so no chance (or reason) for big ships (in my case, ocean liner) to stop there, but not unrealistic.
__________________
In ancient Rome, the median income person was a slave. |
|
|
|
![]() |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| New salem mbta CR station | palindrome | Transit and Infrastructure | 20 | 03-02-2012 05:15 AM |
| Windham/Salem Exit 3 on 93 | MonopolyBag | Greater New England | 18 | 11-13-2011 11:41 PM |
| Salem Bike Share (It's free! ...it's FREE?!) | BostonUrbEx | Transit and Infrastructure | 0 | 09-29-2011 08:21 PM |
| Tuscan Market - Salem NH | MonopolyBag | Greater New England | 5 | 10-04-2010 09:04 PM |
| Lynn/Salem revitalization efforts | czsz | New Development | 10 | 08-11-2010 12:14 AM |