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Old 01-16-2012, 08:49 AM   #201
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Do you think the high-rollers are going to take the T to the "resort?" Any meaningful infrastructure improvements will be for vehicular traffic.

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Bet -- the Transit improvements wouldn't be for the high rollers -- the Transit improvements would be for the employees

The vaunted "single seat ride" from Duley to Logan wasn't intended to enable people living on Lagrange Street to make an easy commute to Marleybone in London -- it was to be for the employees

Similarly if five thousand -- give or take -- people are going to be working at Suffolk Casino and resort -- the assumption is that a significant number would commute on transit -- and improvements in the access would probably be included in the proposed development

Note that the latest proposal for the Western Mass resort casino put forth by MGM would include an new interchange on the Tunnpike
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:57 PM   #202
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There's another reason for transit improvements: we are in a position to demand it. The state is about to provide a licensed gambling monopoly to somebody. We should drive a hard bargain, and why not make that mean a light rail line to replace the Silver Bus if built in the Seaport, or a Blue Line-Charles connector if built in East Boston. Once an operator has a license to print money, the state's leverage will be significantly more limited. Normally i don't favor linking unrelated community benefits to development projects, but this is one case where we ought to make a few demands, and paying for better transit should be one of them.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:32 AM   #203
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Google maps now shows city borders, convenient for casino discussion!
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I don't see these borders, and I just went to Suffolk Downs on Google Maps. Do I need to turn on some special setting to see them?
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There's another reason for transit improvements: we are in a position to demand it. The state is about to provide a licensed gambling monopoly to somebody. We should drive a hard bargain, and why not make that mean a light rail line to replace the Silver Bus if built in the Seaport, or a Blue Line-Charles connector if built in East Boston. Once an operator has a license to print money, the state's leverage will be significantly more limited. Normally i don't favor linking unrelated community benefits to development projects, but this is one case where we ought to make a few demands, and paying for better transit should be one of them.
I agree. Before any deal is made, the state has some serious leverage. If the state and the mayor's office could get on the same page, I think we could see some serious improvements made to the T if the casino ends up at Suffolk Downs.
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I agree. Before any deal is made, the state has some serious leverage. If the state and the mayor's office could get on the same page, I think we could see some serious improvements made to the T if the casino ends up at Suffolk Downs.
Suffolk Downs area does not have the street grids to hold this type of development. The traffic in that area around 3 or 5 o'clock sucks.

Now they are going to put a billion dollar development at Suffolk Downs. GOOD LUCK to the Revere Residents that live in that area.

Like I said before I'm not for the casinos.

#1 The people of Mass should be voting on the casinos.
#2 Seaport or East Boston waterfront (Massport property with a new highway bridge) going across the city would make more sense.
#3 Massive Multi-Billion dollar MBTA overhaul throughout the city. (this should have been done back in the 90's.) Development, Education, and industry will expand overtime.

Our stimilus money should have gone to #3 in the first place.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:54 AM   #207
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I don't see these borders, and I just went to Suffolk Downs on Google Maps. Do I need to turn on some special setting to see them?
Flip over from Satellite view to Map view and you should see the peach borders when you search for a town name and state.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:00 AM   #208
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You need to search "Boston, MA" to see the borders. And, borders are visible only at city-level zoom, not street-level zoom.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:01 PM   #209
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If the state and the mayor's office could get on the same page, I think we could see some serious improvements made to the T if the casino ends up at Suffolk Downs.
Yes, of course. And 2 + 2 = 5
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:49 PM   #210
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Flip over from Satellite view to Map view and you should see the peach borders when you search for a town name and state.
Its even better.

If you search Boston, you get the Boston borders.
If you search 02215, you get the zip code borders.

This is true around the country.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:16 AM   #211
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6.2-acre lot near Suffolk Downs fetches $3.75 million Boston Business Journal by Thomas Grillo, Real Estate Editor
Date: Monday, January 30, 2012, 12:38pm EST
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A Fall River, Mass.-based developer, has purchased a 6.2-acre site near the Suffolk Downs racecourse at 415 McClellan Highway in East Boston, Mass., for $3.75 million.

The company acquired the parcel from Sawyer Enterprises, the Boston firm that owns the W Hotel and Residences in the Theater District. Last fall, Sawyer won approval from U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Boston to reorganize over strong objections from creditor Prudential Insurance Co. Prudential Insurance Co. Latest from The Business Journals Prudential settles with California, other states over unclaimed death benefitsSlideshow: M.D. Anderson building implosionApartments rule the real estate roost among investors Follow this company , which sought to foreclosure on the condo portion of the project.

In 2010, the owners of Suffolk Downs unveiled plans for a $600 million casino at the 75-year-old racetrack. They said investors would line up for a gambling facility that would include a 400- to 600-room hotel, casino, spa, restaurants and shops. The proposal also calls for expansion and renovation of the existing 800,000-square-foot grandstand, which would also contain a clubhouse with the addition of new gambling, restaurant and retail facilities.

Suffolk Downs said it will compete for one of the casino licenses in Eastern Massachusetts that will be offered by the state. It will face competition from a resort style casino plan in Milford and possibly one from The Kraft Group The Kraft Group Latest from The Business Journals BBJ names Boston's Most Admired Cos., CEOs and BrandsTrader Joe's to touch down in Patriot PlaceJackpot: Milford proponent sees winning hand in Foxborough casino rejection Follow this company and Wynn Resorts Wynn Resorts Latest from The Business Journals Bids for casinos could get more competitiveJackpot: Milford proponent sees winning hand in Foxborough casino rejectionKraft and Wynn tout Foxborough casino Follow this company across to be built across the highway from Gillette Stadium.

It’s unclear whether First Bristol Corp. is positioning itself to offer a hotel and retail that would benefit from traffic to the casino. James Karam, president and CEO of First Bristol, did not return a call seeking comment.

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/re...olk-downs.html


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Old 02-02-2012, 07:53 AM   #212
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Casino vote link to downtown fix has council, mayor trading barbs
By Gintautas Dumcius
Feb. 2, 2012

With a potential casino in East Boston and the pit in the middle of Downtown Crossing as backdrops, tensions are flaring between the Menino administration and City Council President Stephen Murphy.

Some of that stems from confusion over how much leverage the City Council has in forcing a developer who is a minority stakeholder in the Suffolk Downs race track – which is angling for a casino license – to act on restarting the development of the Downtown Crossing hole. To the chagrin of local officials, including Mayor Thomas Menino, developer Steven Roth of New York’s Vornado Realty Trust has done little to the downtown site after the former Filene’s Basement was demolished and financing for new construction dried up.

“I’m not trying to do anything but add my voice to chorus and be very, very surgical in the way we maximize leverage on behalf of the people who send us to City Hall,” Murphy said, expressing frustration with Roth, whom he referred to as a “jackass from Manhattan.”

Roth did not return a call for comment.

The leverage, according to Murphy, includes the power of the City Council to sign off on a referendum on a casino proposal.

Whether it’s a vote city-wide – or simply in the ward the casino would be located in – Murphy contended that an order with the vote must come through the City Council, citing the casino law passed in November 2011.

“In our reading of the law, that was an area that gave – and I don’t mean just us – gave the mayor and us more leverage because of that component,” said Murphy, who met with Suffolk Downs officials last week and told them of his stance.

At the center of the leverage debate is the complex casino bill that Beacon Hill crafted and passed into law last year. According to the Menino administration, the law requires a referendum to occur once an applicant such as Suffolk Downs requests it, leaving little leverage for the City Council. The request would come after officials from the host community for the casino – in this case, Boston and Revere – came to a mitigation agreement with the applicant.

In the law, the “local governing body” has the ability to opt out of a ward-only vote, and go to a city-wide vote on whether a specific proposal for a casino should go forward. Ask around City Hall and Beacon Hill, including those who kept close watch on the casino law as it made its way to the governor’s desk, and most would say “local governing body” refers to the City Council.

But the law defines “local governing body” as the mayor and the City Council. And one reading of the law contends that even if the Council moves towards a city-wide vote, Menino, who along with East Boston’s elected officials ardently supports a ward-only vote, is needed to sign off on such a move. In this view, then, for a city-wide vote to happen, the City Council and the mayor have to agree on it.

Murphy maintains that in taking his aggressive stance he is acting as the “captain of the legislative team”, with Mayor Menino playing the role as “captain of the executive team.”

On the other side of City Hall’s fifth floor, the feeling does not appear to be mutual.

“The mayor will not engage in politics when it comes to economic development and jobs in the city of Boston,” said Menino spokeswoman Dot Joyce, echoing some of the comments she made to the Boston Globe over the weekend when asked about Murphy’s comments. “The project at One Franklin Street is too important.”

In the Globe’s weekend story, the head of the Boston Redevelopment Authority appeared to slap down Murphy’s stance. “Singing, dancing, yelling, screaming – nothing can make this more important than the mayor has made this already,” the BRA’s Peter Meade told the newspaper.

Murphy hit back, telling the Reporter on Monday, “I think Peter Meade’s comments are unprofessional and unnecessary and Dot Joyce’s comments are bizarre.”

Asked about Murphy’s comments, including his mention of at being “captain of the legislative team,” Meade offered a clipped response: “Good for Steve.”
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:48 AM   #213
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Somebody believes the casinos are going in the Suffolk Downs Location
Riff -- at least they are putting their marker on the table -- the wheel is still spinning

PS: when you post a quote -- do some editing as when you do the cut and paste you are picking-up and transferring a bunch of extraneous junk!

Exhibit One [my comments in brackets];


"The company acquired the parcel from Sawyer Enterprises, the Boston firm that owns the W Hotel and Residences in the Theater District. [key]
Last fall, Sawyer won approval from U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Boston to reorganize over strong objections from creditor Prudential Insurance Co. [less important but still relevant]
Prudential Insurance Co. Latest from The Business Journals Prudential settles with California, other states over unclaimed death benefits [Huh???]
Slideshow: M.D. Anderson building implosionApartments rule the real estate roost among investors Follow this company [Huh?? Huh????],
which sought to foreclosure on the condo portion of the project." [back to the meet of the story]

Exhibit Two -- how it might have been posted:
"The company acquired the parcel from Sawyer Enterprises, the Boston firm that owns the W Hotel and Residences in the Theater District. Last fall, Sawyer won approval from U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Boston to reorganize over strong objections from creditor Prudential Insurance Co.,which sought to {foreclose} on the condo portion of the project."
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:04 PM   #214
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My bad Whigh..........
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:29 PM   #215
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My bad Whigh..........
Riff -- it takes a bit longer -- but you don't dilute your major points with too much background or even extraneous noise

The publishers set-up their pages on purpose so that when you grab the stuff that you want - you also get stuff such as ads peripheral or unrelated to the topic of interest -- although some of the more quotable publications will provide a "single page [printer] view" of the pages in question usually without anything extraneous
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So Murph's running for Mayor next year?
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:45 AM   #217
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Old 02-16-2012, 02:35 PM   #218
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By Andrew Ryan | Globe Staff February 16, 2012

In living rooms in East Boston, a few dozen residents have begun gathering on couches and chairs to discuss how they might stop what seems like the inevitable arrival of slot machines and blackjack tables at a proposed casino at Suffolk Downs.

The nascent group, No Eastie Casino, has constructed the outlines of a website. They have launched a Facebook page with 96 members.

They have started to strategize about how they might combat the power and influence of casino magnates, developers, and elected officials who are pushing hard for a casino at the racetrack.

“I love East Boston; I want to stay here,’’ said Celeste Myers, 40, a group organizer whose family emigrated from Portugal to East Boston 70 years ago. “I don’t want to be driven out by a casino or the fallout from a casino.’’

The group, a mix of longtime East Boston residents and newcomers, faces extraordinary odds.

But this neighborhood, isolated on an angular peninsula it shares with Logan Airport, has a history of galvanizing to fight for its rights against formidable foes.

East Boston’s battles with the Massachusetts Port Authority have become neighborhood lore, especially the fight in the late 1960s and early 1970s over the extension of a runway, when mothers lay in the streets to protest the destruction of parks and homes.

“In a lot of respects, that is kind of the Alamo in East Boston,’’ said Mike Russo, 42, who lives in a Dutch Colonial his grandfather bought in 1935 and can hear the public address announcements at the racetrack from the front steps. “We’re in this to win this. We’re not in it for mitigation. I don’t give a flying handshake about ornamental street lights or new uniforms for the T-ball team.’’

The opponents worry about a surge in traffic through the neighborhood and fear the addiction, theft, and other ills that can accompany gambling. Many are dubious about the promise of good jobs and shared prosperity.

“The concerns they have are legitimate concerns; they are concerns that I have,’’ said Councilor Salvatore LaMattina, a vocal booster of a casino at Suffolk Downs. “If it is going to have a really negative impact on the neighborhood, then East Boston should reject it.’’

But, LaMattina added, “What I’m hearing in East Boston is a lot of people looking for jobs.’’

The Suffolk Downs ownership has not made a formal proposal to build a casino. Before a developer can compete for a state license to build a casino, the plans must be approved by local voters in a referendum.

But the push to build a casino at Suffolk Downs has the support of elected officials, who can be influential at the ballot box.

Mayor Thomas M. Menino, for example, captured 60 percent of the vote in East Boston his last election and is an ardent proponent of a casino at Suffolk Downs. That may be difficult for a group such as No Eastie Casino to overcome.

“Of course people are concerned about any economic project in their neighborhood,’’ said Menino’s spokeswoman, Dot Joyce.

“It’s not uncommon for these types of groups to form around those economic development proposals. Our position remains the same, that East Boston, because of its history with the gaming facility at Suffolk Downs, would be an ideal spot for a resort-style gaming development,’’ she said.

Before any casino can open, voters get a say. In large cities such as Boston, the state casino law limits a referendum to the local ward or neighborhood, unless the mayor and City Council opt for a citywide vote.

Menino is against a citywide vote, but the opposition group plans to push the issue. A casino would affect all of Boston, Myers said, and a proposal would more likely be rejected if the entire city got to decide.

A vote on a local casino may cut across traditional political alliances. Myers, one organizer of the opposition group, volunteered for Menino’s 2009 reelection campaign, helping to organize phone banks.

“East Boston is a community that loves the mayor, so this is going to be kind of a challenge,’’ Myers said. “But you can love the mayor and not love all of his points of view.’’

Myers is the sister of John Ribeiro, who lives in Winthrop and has been an opponent of the law that paved the way for casinos in Massachusetts. Some members of No Eastie Casino share that sentiment.

“Casinos are a bad idea generally,’’ said Jessica Curtis, 31, who bought a house in East Boston in 2009. “It’s not in a not-in-my-backyard perspective. It’s a not-in-anybody’s-backyard.’’

But others who have been in touch with the opposition group remain undecided. Chris Marchi, for example, wants to be sure the process is transparent and that the neighborhood gets a chance to scrutinize the claims of both sides.

“We’re pretty savvy as a neighborhood,’’ Marchi said. “We’ve been here for 400 years on this little island. We’ve never lacked the ability to stand up for ourselves.’’
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I still think a vote localized in Eastie stands a better chance of defeating the casino than a city wide vote. I live in Allston, even if the casino ends up becoming the Atlantic City the opponents fear, it wouldn't effect me in the least. So I think most of Boston, seeing that we are on the other side of the harbor, doesn't have that much skin in the game and would more likely to say: "Why not."
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