archBOSTON.org

Go Back   archBOSTON.org > Boston's Built Environment > Design a Better Boston

Design a Better Boston Are you disappointed with the state of Boston's current architecture/development? Think you have a better idea? Post it here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-03-2015, 08:03 PM   #41
Shepard
Senior Member
 
Shepard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,343
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Easiest access to shaws from the pru is actually through Saks Fifth Ave. As long as you ogle that $800 white button down shirt as you go, you're fine.

With the food court closed I was really hoping shaws would up its game in prepared foods. The thin crust roman pizza has always been good, but I've consistently found the hot bar disappointing.
Shepard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2015, 09:47 PM   #42
The EGE
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 599
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

On that same vein, I'd love to see two things:

Better western entrances to the complex: Other than the convention center - only entrance on Boylston, there's no good general entrance along the entire face from Gloucester almost to Huntington.

Pedestrian bridge over Huntington at Copley Square: land it in the plaza between Huntington and Blagden, and turn Blagden into a service-vehicles-only road with a raised pedestrian crossing. Makes access to Copley Square, the library, and the Green Line a lot better both for Prudential Center users and Back Bay passengers. I think you could build the bridge so as to not ruin thhe lines of the library building.
The EGE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2015, 09:22 PM   #43
meddlepal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,120
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

This thread getting bumped me realize how much I still love The Pru. It's under appreciated by some and hated by many but I still think it's one of the best buildings on the skyline and definitely defines Boston. I like it more than I like the JHT.

The facade could use a thorough cleaning though.
meddlepal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2015, 08:35 AM   #44
Suffolk 83
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: South End
Posts: 1,815
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

I'm not crazy about the Prudential's skin, but what I think is under appreciated is the height to width ratio. It's gotta be the slimest tower in the city by that standard right? From two angles it looks fairly slim, from two others a little less so but still decent
Suffolk 83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2015, 10:15 AM   #45
JeffDowntown
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Cove
Posts: 2,505
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by meddlepal View Post
This thread getting bumped me realize how much I still love The Pru. It's under appreciated by some and hated by many but I still think it's one of the best buildings on the skyline and definitely defines Boston. I like it more than I like the JHT.

The facade could use a thorough cleaning though.
I believe that the facade probably needs more than a cleaning... it is probably about at design life (or past it). My understanding is that the construction is aluminum channel, with glass and fiberglass panels. Those do not last forever.
__________________
Jeff H.
Downtown, South Cove
JeffDowntown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2015, 10:19 AM   #46
cden4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,024
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shepard View Post
Easiest access to shaws from the pru is actually through Saks Fifth Ave. As long as you ogle that $800 white button down shirt as you go, you're fine.
Coming from Copley Place using the pedestrian bridge, I use the exit next to Cheesecake Factory and then cross the street to Shaws in front of Saks.
cden4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 09:28 AM   #47
bayvillagebrahmin
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 97
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffDowntown View Post
I believe that the facade probably needs more than a cleaning... it is probably about at design life (or past it). My understanding is that the construction is aluminum channel, with glass and fiberglass panels. Those do not last forever.
I work in the building. I gotta say, it really is "night vs day."

Looks awesome at night, up close during the day though, yikes. The pale green panels (no idea what material) could definitely be replaced with some navy blue or steel grey panels.
bayvillagebrahmin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 11:10 AM   #48
citylover94
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: White River Jct.
Posts: 1,067
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Navy blue would be a cool look and would add a nice pop of color steel grey would be too blah imo.
citylover94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2015, 12:16 PM   #49
TheBostonian
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 345
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

I like the Prudential tower, always have. The 1960s window pattern looked dated in the 1980s and 90s, but that mid-century modern stuff is popular again and this should be preserved.

Overall, I can't imagine and would not want a Back Bay skyline without the Pru the way it looks now. Yeah, it has a certain plain ugliness to it. But projects itself boldly into the sky with its robot head and prominent corporate sign.
TheBostonian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2016, 12:06 PM   #50
lapradetom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 245
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBostonFan View Post
Recently, I have been looking at the Prudential Tower and how ugly many people say it looks. I have also been looking at Tom Dolle's 1986 proposal to redesign the facade of the Prudential Center and does anybody think it would work today? Or would something different be done, like redesigning the facade in glass like 7 World Trade Center or in limestone. For those who haven't heard of it, here's an excerpt of it from Boston Magazine:



Here are some pictures of the proposal:

[IMG]file:///Users/michael/Pictures/iPhoto%20Library/Modified/2010/Nov%208,%202010_2/IMG_3566.JPG[/IMG]

[IMG]file:///Users/michael/Pictures/iPhoto%20Library/Modified/2010/Nov%208,%202010_2/IMG_3569.JPG[/IMG]

[IMG]file:///Users/michael/Pictures/iPhoto%20Library/Modified/2010/Nov%208,%202010_2/IMG_3523.JPG[/IMG]

Discuss.
^^^While I think this building design proposal was rather hideous, I think that Boston Properties could tastefully re-skin the tower, and add a cool looking taller and illuminated crown on top, and the PRU could perhaps displace the JHT/200 Clarendon tower as the crown jewel of the Boston skyline...(woohoo)...and the FAA wouldn't even mind! (not that I dislike 200 Clarendon at all) Plus a new taller Pru would re-center it in the skyline with 1 Dalton coming nearby, which will be similar in height as the current Pru when it's done, upsetting the skyline symmetry. A taller Pru would create a new Back Bay "peak".
lapradetom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2016, 07:35 PM   #51
meddlepal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Boston
Posts: 1,120
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Or we could leave it alone and not fuck with one of Boston's most iconic buildings for the sake of making the skyline look pretty from Mt. Auburn.
meddlepal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 02:17 PM   #52
tangent
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,402
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by meddlepal View Post
Or we could leave it alone and not fuck with one of Boston's most iconic buildings for the sake of making the skyline look pretty from Mt. Auburn.
The pru is more aesthetically pleasing than 90% of the other towers in Boston. You should level the financial district before touching the Pru.
tangent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 05:11 PM   #53
stick n move
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Dorchester
Posts: 4,168
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

I agree its one of the rare brutalist buildings that is ugly in a good way if that makes sense. Brings a sort of grit and grime to the city instead of a bunch of polished glass everywhere. You need contrasts and the Pru does it well. A lot of brutalist buildings used too much concrete, exterior elevators, and a bunch of other stuff that dates very fast. The Pru essentially is a regular box with a crown and a surprisingly detailed facade that all comes together to look pretty good. Its also pretty unique for how simple it is and its instantly recognizable. I hope it is never recladded into glass I hope if its ever recladded they just restore it.
stick n move is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 07:51 PM   #54
citylover94
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: White River Jct.
Posts: 1,067
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

The Pru is not Brutalist architecture it is International Style.
citylover94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 07:59 PM   #55
lapradetom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 245
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by stick n move View Post
I agree its one of the rare brutalist buildings that is ugly in a good way if that makes sense. Brings a sort of grit and grime to the city instead of a bunch of polished glass everywhere. You need contrasts and the Pru does it well. A lot of brutalist buildings used too much concrete, exterior elevators, and a bunch of other stuff that dates very fast. The Pru essentially is a regular box with a crown and a surprisingly detailed facade that all comes together to look pretty good. Its also pretty unique for how simple it is and its instantly recognizable. I hope it is never recladded into glass I hope if its ever recladded they just restore it.
^Without pretending to be an expert on this issue, I do believe that the Prudential building would not be classified as Brutalist architecture. I think the more accurate term would be Modernism, wouldn't it? I thought Brutalism derived from the term Beton Brut, which is French for "raw concrete". The lack of a predominantly concrete fašade makes me believe it is not considered Brutalist architecture. I'm sure I'll hear about it if I'm wrong.
lapradetom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 08:03 PM   #56
lapradetom
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 245
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Just saw the post about it being "International" style. Guess I was wrong.
lapradetom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 08:06 PM   #57
citylover94
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: White River Jct.
Posts: 1,067
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

International Style is the correct term.

Quote:
The most common characteristics of International Style buildings are said to be: i. rectilinear forms; ii. light, taut plane surfaces that have been completely stripped of applied ornamentation and decoration; iii. open interior spaces; iv. a visually weightless quality engendered by the use of cantilever construction. Glass and steel, in combination with usually less visible reinforced concrete, are the characteristic materials of the construction.[1]
International Style Architecture Wikipedia

The Pru uses the grid of rectangles and glass and metal panels to create its facade which is a very good example of the late International Style. Other examples include the Seagram Building in NYC and the PSFS Building in Philly.

lapratadom you aren't wrong International Style is seen more as an early subset of Modernism.
citylover94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2016, 11:43 PM   #58
davem
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Assembly Square
Posts: 2,262
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

I keep saying this a million times. Polish the aluminum mullions, replace the energy-crisis mirrored glass with clear glass, and repaint/replace the teal panels. Basically just clean the tower. It would look fabulous, and is one of the best examples of its time period.
__________________
FP10 on railroad.net
Flickr Photostream
Designs
davem is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2016, 06:24 AM   #59
JeffDowntown
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: South Cove
Posts: 2,505
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

Quote:
Originally Posted by davem View Post
I keep saying this a million times. Polish the aluminum mullions, replace the energy-crisis mirrored glass with clear glass, and repaint/replace the teal panels. Basically just clean the tower. It would look fabulous, and is one of the best examples of its time period.
I think you will find that the aluminum channel and teal (fiberglass composite I believe) panels are well past design life. They will need to be replaced, not just buffed up.
__________________
Jeff H.
Downtown, South Cove
JeffDowntown is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2016, 07:27 PM   #60
odurandina
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 3,458
Re: Redesigning Prudential Tower

The Pru is one of the finest examples of the '60s, bordering on great. The Pan Am is not a good example, as it is well past hideous.... Random useless thought: for a future mixed use box, 'd love to see a 750~780' Onyx, Seagram Building type of thing.... maybe near the Pru or Govt Center/State Service Ctr parcels.

https://youtu.be/ZyyuflY5k2k
odurandina is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Evolution of the Prudential Center: 1954-1989 kz1000ps Boston Architecture & Urbanism 110 06-06-2016 06:00 PM
Avalon Exeter | 77 Exeter Street | Back Bay quadratdackel Development Projects 1081 06-07-2015 09:49 PM
The Lake Prudential JimboJones Boston Architecture & Urbanism 1 09-19-2008 07:37 AM
Tower race pharmerdave Development Projects 20 07-14-2007 09:08 AM
New WTC Tower Designs kz1000ps General Architecture & Urban Planning 18 01-26-2007 09:16 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.