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Epic project proposed to link Boston's islands to prevent the city from being inundated by storm surges in the wake of ice cap melting:
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This is why I love Boston. You all talk shit about how Boston never does anything cool blah blah blah but this is actually something Boston would pull off. Boston does ridiculous big stuff like this all the time (landfill, subway, Big Dig, etc). I can totally see this happening in like 25 years.
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This is pretty and all, and was proposed more than 25 years ago in the Globe, but what about low lying areas within Boston Harbor frontage, outside of the barrier? Do we screw Quincy south of Squantum, Weymouth, Hingham, Hull? Why can't this go from Deer Island to Allerton? Why can't we go from Cape Ann to Race Point? We could have a big pool.
What about other areas of the state that are low lying on the coast, Scituate, Lynn, Revere, portions of Marshfield? Are they not as important as precious Cambridge, which is protected by not one but two dams? This idea annoys me not for the concept of protection but the areas it is designed to protect. Protect the "smart" people, screw everyone else. Do we have a name for reverese Nimbyism? |
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the easiest answer being that it is the city of Boston planning this, and not the state.
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So the same people that said we were on the verge of a new Ice Age in the 1970s, then claimed were on the verge of a massive Global Warming trend which according to the non falsified data has actually been a cooling trend the lass decade, now want to spend billions to build a system of levies when New Orleans and most of the Mississippi flood pain still flood despite the construction.
This is bloody lunacy. There is not a global epic climate change crisis at the moment, and should one every actually arise there is nothing puny humans could do to change it. Any efforts to actively fight off coastal flooding in one area is only going increase the severity in other areas. If such a system was implemented, every major storm which hit Boston would be painless to the city and wipe out the North and South Shore in the process.
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I would love to see the port facilities part happen, along with rail to them.
But anyways, I think Deer Island to Hull would be better, even though I think this is totally unnecessary at this time. |
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I think I remember a proposal to reroute 93 along this very same path during the planning stages of the Big Dig.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ts-on-the-run/
blade_bltz I take it you haven't been following 'ClimateGate', or the fact that sea ice is growing at the most rapid pace since 1978, sea levels aren't rising, temperatures are down since 1998, a lot of people lied their asses off because there was a lot of money to be made selling carbon indulgences for a non-existent problem. It's a major news story in the UK and the rest of Europe. The US press doesn't cover the story because the facts don't fit their established narrative. Well that and GE/Westinghouse own half of broadcast TV and have a huge stake in green energy subsidies. The same exact crap was sold with the same exact hype as 'global cooling' and the 'next ice age' in the 1970s. The scientific community is always eventing panics when it means grant dollars or tie ins with business. This flood barrier is nothing but a modern day Maginot Line against an imaginary problem. It will be a boondoggle to build, the environmentalists and fishermen will through a bloody fit, and the state will go bankrupt maintaining it.
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The answer the builders of this barrier seem to be implicitly supplying is that the sunk cost is greatest in dense cities, and the outlying areas with their scattered single family homes will find it relatively easier to adapt - or at least that it isn't as cost-effective to save them. Quote:
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Providence and New Bedford have both had such harbor barriers for many years.
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"Scattered single family homes" in Quincy, Weymouth, Lynn? Does anyone on these posts actually know about the places these "grand ideas" might affect? Real people actually live there, with real children, yards, jobs, lives, commercial centers, etc. There is a world outside of areas on the Green Line. How about this; we rip up all of landfilled Boston back to 1630? That is Back Bay, most of the South End, the MIT area, the Bulfinch Triangle, the Airport, the South Bay, all of South Boston north of West First and East First Street, the Inner Loop of Charlestown, etc. Let's restore these vital wetlands that were filled, so that they may absorb any potential rise in sea levels. How's that for a plan? Just as loony as a plan that would benefit only certain areas of the Metro area and not others. |
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(Notwithstanding the fact that I think the whole flood barrier plan is pretty silly). |
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I knew Jim Hunt when he was a teenager. He is a great guy, but the City will not be the lead in this, if it ever got built. |
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People on these posts seem only to think about monetary costs and not human costs. Massive relocations behind the barrier? Are you going to pay for that? If you own a three decker on Lafield Street in Dorchester, why should you benefit from this when a homeower in Weymouth Landing doesn't, yet the Weymouth owner has to pay for the barrier as well? I see posts on this site that seem to have the pulse of the same crazed urban planners that killed the West End or who built The Barbican. I see areas of Greater Boston dismissed as some kind of Outland, beyond the pale wilderness. Get in your Zipcar and go see what you casually dismiss. |
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How about this? we strucutre a flood barrier so that it extends from Point Allerton to Moon Island and then onto Castle Island, which protects Quincy, Hingham, Weymouth, Dorchester. Another barrier is built to protect Winthrop. However, due to design this creates areas that might be flooded, since a storm surge would flood the area around the Back Bay, and MIT, which of course lie on filled land that was always meant to be natural and absorbing floods. The South End might be protected becuase the Pike could be used as a moat. Beacon Hill most of the North End, most of South Boston, Charlestown, and East Boston would be protected becuase of their elevations. My idea would be percieved as many on these blogs as insane becuase where they live and work would be flooded. Get it? See it's ok when your ok but when you are on the downside of pie in the sky urban planning, it is not so ok. Right? Yet from the perspective of someone along Wessagusset Beach, my idea sounds much better than what was in the Globe today. |
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Again, this specific plan is being developed BY BOSTON.
Nothing is stopping said communities from developing their own plans and eventually applying for state/federal financing. |
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Agree with the comments that this is Boston-specific. But even if it weren't:
1. More people and assets would be affected by the flooding of the central city. 2. The only way one of these barriers could be realistically designed would be to protect the center and increasingly disparate areas. So the question isn't whether the center should be protected at the expense of certain suburbs, but which suburbs can be protected along with the city center. 3. People who live in dispersed settlements wind up taxing us who live more efficiently in cities because they demand more infrastructure to support their way of life - longer roads, sewage lines, the externalities of autocentrism, etc. Per capita the barrier would be way more expensive if extended to include low density towns, like a highway built to these communities generally is. Moreover, the barrier is specifically protecting coastal dwellers who have enjoyed high property values...why should people inland have to pay for their protection when they've chosen to accept the risk of seaside living? 4. So what's so terrible about subsidizing (or mandating insurance coverage for) the movement of people to higher elevations in places where the barrier can't be built? The fact that these are low density towns makes it relatively easy by comparison. (Caveat: I do wonder if a more inclusive barrier would be more cost effective than this) |
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What about simply between the Seaport and the Airport? Protect downtown, but with the very short (2500 feet) distace covered, it wouldn't displace too much surge onto adjacent communities.
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