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I don't think there is an existing thread for this and it fits into other existing threads but I thought it could use it's own.
http://www.masspike.com/business/parcel9rfp.html Quote:
http://www.boston.com/business/artic...ore_proposals/ Quote:
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I like the glass canopy of the Blackstone proposal...I like the building in the Eastat rendering and the Gutierrez proposal looks like crap.
The Boston Museum is the the best of em though probably the most far-fetched in this climate |
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^ That about sums it up...
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The Eastat is definetely my favorite...
It's contextual....probably the most 'Boston' of the proposals. Or rather what Boston should strive to be.... If you can't build something iconic,something that stands out (while the Museum proposal is nice...it is not anything mindblowing) I'd prefer something like this.... The Eastat development would basically be world-class in-fill. The kind of urban motion that draws tourists in without making it seem like a tourist gimmick. The balcony's and 12 'affordable' units give it mucho bonus points. Overall just very chic...very European...very nice. CBT did a good job with this one.... Last edited by Bubbybu; 04-16-2009 at 11:42 AM. |
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The Boston Museum is the best but who knows if they have the money.
Eastat is safe and boring but not bad. Gutierrez is a dud. This is a place you WANT to have a building stand out, not a place for background buildings. Blackstone is the same but I do like the glass canopy thing.
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Playing the devil's advocate - although I'll admit the Gutierrez proposal is utilitarian (some might say boring), but perhaps it most closely resembles the buildings previously located in that vicinity that were demolished to make way for the central artery? It seems most of the structures in this district that were demolished to make way for the artery were spartan and utilitarian.
I'll just be happy with something that fills the space appropriately and interacts well with the street. It wouldn't bother me much if the building's design was conservative. |
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I thought that looked familiar! Good catch!
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So, I'm really torn here. I can definitely rule out the Blackstone LLC. proposal. Ugly.
I'm fairly sure I can throw out the Boston Museum proposal. This just isn't the place for it. It's redeeming feature, however, is the Greenway facade. It's probably the most noticeable of the three left (maybe CBT, they're both close-neither are spectacular, neither suck). The Blackstone side of the proposal though-horrendous. Just a big, muckish brown wall. I can't imagine they can pull the capital together, and if it is built, they'll focus on the museum and not the Market aspect (which is obviously the most important). I really like the Gutierrez proposal. I wish that they would buy up some land in the Seaport, and build this right along Seaport Blvd. where the Fort Point district just sort of...ends. It works the best with the Blackstone, but in the end, it just doesn't seem to fit for the spot. And that leaves the Eastat/CBT proposal. No matter how much of a ripoff of Pike Place it is, it's good. It focuses on the market, has a handsome building, and seems like it has the best shot at succeeding at finding tenants. The Greenway side is very friendly, and very Greenway, without being too boring or too suburban. I think what I liked best was that they didn't try to hide the fact that this was a public market, and not a gourmet outdoor grocery. A truly solid project that would definitely help the Greenway and the neighborhood around it (and that isn't as concerned with out-of-towners and commuters). It's Faneuil Hall for the everyman.
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These all have a far too monolithic, horizontal emphasis. Even the Guiterrez feels like a landscraper. None of these help rectify the blown-open feel of the Greenway in this area - then again, I'm not sure anything could.
Is anyone else concerned that construction of this will eradicate the Haymarket as we know it? I bet it will at least force more than a few stalls to move and probably close. Then we'll be left with the antiseptic rump market on this building's first floor, which is destined to become an extension of Faneuil Hall - at best. At worst it will be empty like the vent building over Haymarket station. |
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Eastat.
Very nicely worked-out plan. Housing!! Looks European. Btw, where are the design drawings on the Sy Mintz (Blackstone) Scheme? All I can find is some tiny thumbnails. Are there more? |
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I'm leaning towards the Gutierrez, although it's hard to tell exactly what's going on because of the scan of the brochure. The massing looks good, and the programing sounds good as well. I'd love to see the Boston Museum go up (sans bridge - they don't get to ruin a good parcel w/a bridge in my opinion), but their management and money situation is, to put it nicely, grim. I'd be happy with the Eastat as well, but what the hell was CBT thinking with that brochure?! The pics look like they came out of the 6th layer of Pointalist Hell.
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Isn't the whole idea of needing a bridge across the 'greenway' rather ironic?
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^^Don't ya think?
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Any parcels that are too expensive to be built upon by the non-profits should be offered to private developers. Let them hammer out a price in a competitive process. It may well be that the price is a buck per year lease, but at least we would cover those gaping scars.
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^ The sooner the better.
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Blackstone is uninspired and safe, and a bit depressing.
Eastat is the clear winner here. |
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from today's Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/business/artic.../?comments=all Quote:
Here is one of the comments to the article, does anyone know anything about this: Quote:
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I walk through there several times a week. There are no 'unfinished' ramps anywhere.
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I think by "unfinished" he's talking about the general state of the parcel (which is unfinished), not the ramps themselves (which are completely finished).
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