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Is it unconstitutional?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...erty_righ.html Quote:
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It doesn't really solve one problem by creating another one. Housing is an issue in general, for students and for families. Now there'll just be less housing in general for everyone. Students need housing and families need housing, but restricting one to help the other may seem noble because a family needs a home, but instead 4 kids per unit will be the case in simply more units because if they are going to go to school in Boston, and aren't local like most students who do so, they still need a place to stay and means to do so. There are so many more issues at hand that makes this new law flawed, and this article covers a lot of it. It doesn't seem very constitutional.
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This would definitely seem to harm property owners, and I don't think it will make any difference at all. Open space in your apartment just makes your place better for a party anyway...
If people don't like the noise, don't move to neighborhoods where there are a lot of students. It's not like this is a new problem.
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Looks like there already is a lawsuit:
http://www.wickedlocal.com/allston/homepage/x125183916 Quote:
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This new law needs to be crushed so bad that any public official supporting it is left gasping for air, and out of a job, pronto.
I find it so offensive! Not sure why, I just do. It's unbelievably stupid! |
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offensive. Only in Boston.
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My main problem with it is that it singles out a certain group of people and limits their choices while it's not clear at all whether it will have any positive effects at all.
Will rents go up or down? Will parties continue or not? My prediction is that rents will not be affected at all, or will go up, and that partying will continue. There are most certainly other ways of dealing with disruptive behavior and increasing rents than by limiting people's choices. It's basically those in power ganging up on students once again. Students may not be perfect, but it's really not fair to punish the many for the bad deeds of a few. |
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Speaking as a college student living off campus, this law will change nothing. 9/10's of noise complaints are when people invite people over for big sports events on tv, and partying, which will definitely continue.This will only make housing more expensive for students.
As it is now, i guess i am living illegally. ![]()
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Palindrome: you missed the sentence where the city council said their next ordinance will outlaw having more than four other students over to your apartment at any one time.
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Last edited by tobyjug; 04-09-2008 at 05:29 PM. |
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Students are not a legally protected class. There have been ordinances in college towns that explicitly target college students and those have been upheld by the federal courts - or rather the courts have declined to review them. Either way, the outcome is the same, the ordinance is effectively upheld. As long as the law does not target a federal protected class (race/ethnicity, color, gender, family status, national origin, creed, disability) or state protected class (sexual orientation in MA is protected for housing), the city of Boston is likely well within its legal authority to restrict the occupancy levels of housing by college students.
I don't agree with the ordinance either. It will actually cause more of the same problem that Ross says he is trying to address. By increasing the number of students out on the market, it increases demand. As demand goes up, so do prices. It will be almost impossible to enforce without violating other due process protections. It also falsely pits students against families when both are being screwed by absentee landlords and property management companies. I teach at Northeastern and this ordinance is generally aimed at my students. And our new dorms, when they open, will not decrease the demand for off-campus housing. Our dorms are simply too expensive for most students and priority goes to freshmen, sophomores, and middlers. And the upperclassmen tend to not want to share space with the younger classes. I can't say I blame them. Ross has also reportedly dismissed our attempts by Northeastern to work with the students to teach them how to be good neighbors and to create better student-community relations in Mission Hill. Ross is simply vying for votes from the few remaining voters in Mission Hill. |
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Is age a legally protected class, and is undergraduate status a 'proxy' for age?
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Quote:
The word ?age? as used in this subsection shall not apply to persons who are minors nor to residency in state-aided or federally-aided housing developments for the elderly nor to residency in housing developments assisted under the federal low income housing tax credit and intended for use as housing for persons 55 years of age or over or 62 years of age or over, nor to residency in communities consisting of either a structure or structures constructed expressly for use as housing for persons 55 years of age or over or 62 years of age or over if the housing owner or manager register biennially with the department of housing and community development. So theoretically, unless an amendment is made to MGL, I can sue my landlord for upholding this ordinance. |
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MGL c.151B ?4(7)'s clarification of age is to allow age restrictions for elderly housing development projects. In the definitions section of this statute, the age of concern are those over 40. What this subsection effectively says is that a person between the age of 40 and 55 (or 62) cannot sue a landlord or property management firm for age discrimination because of age restrictions in an elder housing development.
As Jass stated, age discrimination restrictions only apply to those over the age of 40. And the concern there is largely in employment. In Massachusetts, you can discriminate against college-aged persons in employment and in housing. Young people are not a protected class. Last edited by N.starluna; 04-11-2008 at 08:29 AM. Reason: clarification |
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Mike Ross is on solid legal ground.
Unfortunately, he's not on solid economic ground. Limiting the number of students per apartment obviously isn't going to reduce rents because it does nothing about the total number of students seeking apartments. It may mean that 20 students collectively need to lease 5 apartments instead of 4, which is going to push rents higher, not lower. It passed so easily because most landlords who usually rally against restrictions can tolerate restrictions that help their bottom line. This isn't the first time Ross has shown his inability to master Econ 101. In a single meeting, I've seen him advocate rent control (because rents are "too high") while showing his reflexive opposition to any development of size (he'll note that "luxury" condos won't address the affordable housing shortage). The man can't connect the simplest economic dots. Two decades from now, when every last brownstone in his district will have been converted from apartments (many of which are affordable) to expensive condos, will it occur to him that he didn't reduce the number of rich people, either, and that if we had built twice as many luxury highrises then the yuppies might not have gut renovated every single tenement? When he went back to school to get his law degree a few years ago, my neighbors and I groaned. If he had gone back for an economics degree, we might have chipped in. |
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Whoa, that's exactly the same feeling I got, InTheHood, while watching him on the Em Rooney show. Before that, I had never seen him speak. I always figured when he said stuff like this, it was because he was pandering to certain members of his community. But, when I saw him on Greater Boston, I got really, really scared. The guy REALLY BELIEVES what he says.
I'd give him a bit of credit if I knew he had done some research to come to his conclusions, but I don't think he has. He really really believes that by reducing the number of students allowed in any one home that it will mean less students in his neighborhood. He's quite clueless. |
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Back in the 90s when I was going to school at UMass Amherst, the town floated a proposal that would have prohibited freshman students from driving a car. This was obstensibly proposed in an attempt to alleviate traffic problems in the amazingly congested Route 9 corridor between Northampton and Amherst (most importantly, the Connecticut River crossing in Hadley) and sparked a hell of a debate, as most things in Amherst often do.
However, it could not be concluded that the number of first-year students in Amherst (the town with three colleges) were directly contributing to the congestion. It was a fact that traffic got worse when school was in session, but that's what happens when your population triples in September... and goes back to "regular" levels in June. Arbitrarily penalizing one subset of the student population was silly and accomplished nothing. In the end the proposal was kicked to the curb and life went on as usual. In that vein, I think the ordinance won't solve the problems Mike Ross wants it to solve. It's an idea, a suggestion, something to mull over, but it hasn't been thought all the way through. On the other hand, there's something to be said about preventing absentee landlords from cramming nine students into one floor of an Allston/Brighton triple decker. The kids may not know better (I shared my first apartment with 8 other people, only 5 of whom were actually on the lease; we didn't know what was up) but they at least deserve better. |
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^---- Didn't the Rt 9 traffic also have to do with the never-ending construction on the bridge that spanned the Connecticut River? Whenever I visited my brother back then, traffic was often reduced to just one lane on the Hadley side of the bridge.
Also, regarding Ross' legislation: this will effectively create a bidding war between students and families, and who do you think will come out on top? Lower-middle class families or out-of-state BU students with upper-middle class parents who foot their kids' bills? What a complete disregard for basic Micro econ principles. |
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