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Old 10-11-2017, 04:01 PM   #341
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The Seaport and East Boston have this thing called the airport that they have to deal with. They can't build tall towers.

Anyway the seaport is being built very densely and providing lots of new (mostly expensive) housing and office/retail space. Eastie is a historically dense neighborhood that is getting even denser. You don't need height to have density.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:05 PM   #342
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oh, i wasn't talking about the lack of skyscrapers in the Seaport. i'm talking about all the assholes who post in the Globe about the Seaport being ruined (at just the current scale), and other Globe bullshit peddling.,

Sure, in a perfect world, a few moderately tall buildings might peak above 260' zoning.... But the Seaport is fine just the same.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:06 PM   #343
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A very poor rationale. Don't need it. This part of Brookline is urban, (like Somerville). But you still should not have to use an "equal to" type of justification (such as comparing the neighborhood to Somerville) for Brookline to plan modest increases of density in Boston's urban core.
What are you talking about? The point was that there are already bigger buildings along the same bleeping road, so it's not as if this would be out of scale for Brookline. Even the largest building in the original proposal is still right in line with many of the residential buildings surrounding Coolidge Corner and Washington Square.

I certainly wasn't saying "at least there are still some taller buildings in Brookline." I was saying that there is already a precedent for going larger on Beacon Street! They shouldn't have cut a single floor or a single square foot from the original proposal.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:23 PM   #344
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i know. i simply wanted to admonish something we all do too often: offering equivalency to justify what will be modest. incremental growth (as you took the initiative to demonstrate). That's precisely what it is: What is required and nothing more... scaled up, but appropriate in Brookline's urban peninsula i never said build a 500' building in Brookline. The original proposal was perfect.... one size-cutting event isn't the end of Boston's metro; but endless size-cutting is having an accumulative effect of which, ultimately, the result will be disastrous.

I respect what Brookline is, and what it should be. Brookline needs to participate in the future greatness and "scaling up" of Boston in some reasonable way. Nothing out of bounds. This doesn't rise to the acceptable level; it's just tossing away land (by design) and sticking it's middle finger up at Boston.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:30 AM   #345
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But hey, I guess some of you would rather raze more Dainty Dots and Times Buildings than build at the appropriate scale in sensible locations the first time around.
I would have preferred the original scale as well, but this statement is absurd.
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Old 10-12-2017, 11:05 AM   #346
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I'm not surprised at all this was reduced - I'm sure the developer expected it - but it looks like we didn't loose too many residences, which are more important (in my opinion) than the hotel rooms.

I would have preferred the original plan, too, but in all honesty I think this will look better at least.
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:03 AM   #347
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I don't think this was ever posted but if it was my apologies. This is the final planning board presentation from October which shows the final hotel design and program for 700 Brookline Ave (formerly 25 Washington Street). This is directly across the street from the Children's project at Brookline Place. Construction expected to start within the next month or so

http://www.brooklinema.gov/DocumentC...ome/View/13033

If someone wants to strip out the renders from the presentation that would be awesome.
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Old 02-07-2018, 09:29 AM   #348
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I don't think this was ever posted but if it was my apologies. This is the final planning board presentation from October which shows the final hotel design and program for 700 Brookline Ave (formerly 25 Washington Street). This is directly across the street from the Children's project at Brookline Place. Construction expected to start within the next month or so

http://www.brooklinema.gov/DocumentC...ome/View/13033

If someone wants to strip out the renders from the presentation that would be awesome.
Now that's a nice looking building and location.
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Old 02-07-2018, 10:15 AM   #349
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Now that's a nice looking building and location.

The front entrance looks like a bit like a mini (very mini) version of the new Four Seasons going up on Dalton St (see p. 32 of link). I doubt the materials will be the same quality. LOL.
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Old 02-07-2018, 08:03 PM   #350
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Now that's a nice looking building and location.
Really slick. Better than a lot of the Seaport and the entire Bulfinch Triangle.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:57 PM   #351
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Former gas station at Harvard and Thorndike (diagonal from the Anna's) demo'd - to be replaced with this: http://www.brooklinema.gov/DocumentCenter/View/12771
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:01 PM   #352
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Former gas station at Harvard and Thorndike (diagonal from the Anna's) demo'd - to be replaced with this: http://www.brooklinema.gov/DocumentCenter/View/12771
The one that had the restaurants? I think they went through 3 restaurants there in 5 years.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:38 PM   #353
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Scroll through historical Street View and you can get the whole evolution. A failed (pre-peak-quinoa) b.Good, Cognac Bistro, then the Indian place that has since taken over the Rubin's space near the Allston line. They were mid-renovation on this place when the development idea came along - there's an unfinished roughly 15x15 wooden shell practically leaning off the side of it in the latest picture.

Devotion School up the street (PDF) is looking every bit like the product of its time that its ugly (now demolished) post-war wings were. The new stuff is all mismatched exterior materials and asymmetrical windows - yay 2010s! But I'm sure it will be a freaking palace inside.
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Old 05-19-2018, 12:28 PM   #354
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Saw the old Remax building at 420 Harvard Ave was knocked down in the last few weeks. I went back in this thread to 2015 and didn't see any info.

Turns out there's a 25 unit, 4.5 floor building going in under Chapter 40B. Looks like it was originally going to be a bit taller at like 6 stories. Everything in the immediate area is 1 story storefronts with single family homes behind.

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Old 05-26-2018, 04:17 PM   #355
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Not trying be a dick... itís harvard street though. Ave = Allston.

This is pretty dramatic for the area... just in terms of nothing changing there since I was a kid.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:20 AM   #356
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^ Agreed that between this and the gas station being redev'd that this is a lot of change for little old Harvard St.

By no means am I advocating keeping the one-story taxpayers, but I will say that Harvard St from, say, Thorndike down to Devotion School is one of the most harmonious stretches of road in all of Boston and I'd hate to see too much change too quickly here. And those trees... those glorious trees really tie that room together.
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Old 05-29-2018, 12:38 PM   #357
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Sorry for the tangent, but I think it's relevant to Harvard Street... can someone explain to me the origin and economics of the concept of 1-story "taxpayers" ? I get that for owners it's advantageous to keep tax liability down, but I never understood why keeping tax liability low should in an investor's eye be more important than maximizing value and return? (It sounds to me like a person, ignorant of how taxes actually work, chortling about how they don't want a raise at work because they don't want to pay more taxes)
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Old 05-29-2018, 12:46 PM   #358
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Sorry for the tangent, but I think it's relevant to Harvard Street... can someone explain to me the origin and economics of the concept of 1-story "taxpayers" ? I get that for owners it's advantageous to keep tax liability down, but I never understood why keeping tax liability low should in an investor's eye be more important than maximizing value and return? (It sounds to me like a person, ignorant of how taxes actually work, chortling about how they don't want a raise at work because they don't want to pay more taxes)
My understanding (I could be wrong) is that chopping down buildings happened at a time when it was hard to fill the apartments. They couldn't collect enough rent to cover the tax bill.
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:17 PM   #359
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My understanding (I could be wrong) is that chopping down buildings happened at a time when it was hard to fill the apartments. They couldn't collect enough rent to cover the tax bill.
Yes, it was a pretty common occurrence in the late 60's & 70's. It was all about the property tax bill. I believe prop 2 1/2 helped to curtail a lot of that practice.
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:21 PM   #360
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But where have the owners been since rental vacancy in Brookline has started hovering around 0% ... was that 15 or maybe 20 years ago? Longer? Surely they're getting inundated with calls from hungry developers. Why so little movement?
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