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Old 05-27-2017, 02:36 PM   #241
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He is a politician. That species promises things but rarely keeps their word.
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:48 PM   #242
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He is a politician. That species promises things but rarely keeps their word.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...heir-promises/
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...festo-promises
http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazin...aign-promises/
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:16 PM   #243
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Exactly. Setti Warren is a hack. And even if he wasn't, he's the mayor of fucking NEWTON. Who cares what his opinion is? The legislature, which represents the whole state, votes on funding, so what the governor wants doesnt matter, unless the governor is especially adriot at negotiating. Setti Warren is no LBJ. Even if he won, nothing will happen.
More importantly he has no idea how to lead. He only works with yes men. People who offer alternate ideas or disagree on pretty much any issue get fired with the quickness under his administration. That doesn't lead to good decision making.
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Old 07-23-2017, 01:39 PM   #244
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Just an idea, if the Blue Line extension is not going to happen is there any way they could build a commuter rail stop near Wonderland and build a walkway to the Blue Line. It wouldn't be a far walk and could be built in conjunction with some new development at Wonderland where the Dog Track used to be

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Old 07-23-2017, 04:13 PM   #245
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The point of Blue to Lynn is the rapid service and lower fares that you only get with the subway. Adding a CR stop near Wonderland isn't really a substitute for that.
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:46 PM   #246
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The MBTA plans to take a new, hard look at how you get in and out of Lynn — including the long-awaited Blue Line extension.

“We’re still waiting for the Blue Line, but so were my grandparents,” Lynn at-large City Councilor Brian Fields told the Herald with a laugh. But, he added, “There’s a real need for it.”

The T announced yesterday that it has issued a request for proposals for a study of transit options for the North Shore city.
Read more: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc...ransit_options
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Old 11-14-2018, 12:48 PM   #247
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More studies to enrich the consultants and bureaucrats, nothing will happen.
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Old 11-14-2018, 03:53 PM   #248
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Would you consider this a reasonable transit pitch that could have a tangible benefit?
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Old 11-14-2018, 03:58 PM   #249
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More studies to enrich the consultants and bureaucrats, nothing will happen.
We need a exploratory committee to consider doing a DEIR on the impact of doing a DEIR on the impact of presenting a bill before the State House to start digging.

And then we'll need to update all of that when it becomes obsolete by the time it gets approved.
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Old 11-14-2018, 04:15 PM   #250
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More studies to enrich the consultants and bureaucrats, nothing will happen.
50 years and counting. I don't blame Baker for not getting involved with the MBTA---Just outright political Union corruption. Everybody gets a pension after 20 years--
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:03 PM   #251
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Everybody gets a pension after 20 years--
Hasn't been the case for many years now.
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Old 11-25-2018, 10:14 PM   #252
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Lynn needs better rd access to rt 1 more than it needs better transit or the Blue line.
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Old 11-25-2018, 10:24 PM   #253
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:00 AM   #254
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Traffic engineers should be required to include a disclaimer with each post.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:36 PM   #255
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Hello everyone! What are your thoughts on a proposed Blue Line to Lynn via a Western Route. First, it would a right near the intersection of N Shore Rd and Revere St. It would hug inbetween the marsh and the housing torwards the mall. It would cross over the route 1 loop and run along the Northern Strand Community Trail and hug near Salem St next to Route 1. The area with the many parking lots would serve as the East Malden stop. From there, the train would still be close to Route 1 with a stop at the Mall and eventually cross through some homes to connect with the same Northern Strand Trail to Lynn. Essentially, it would connect the malls as well as go around the marsh. It would goes as follows:

North Shore Road (Connection to Commuter Rail with a new Revere Stop)
Salem Turnpike
Northgate
West Revere
East Malden
Square One Mall
Saugus
West Lynn
Lynnway
Lynn

This proposal would avoid the Blue Line hugging the coastline in the case of severe flooding during storms as well as rising sea levels.

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Old 11-30-2018, 03:44 AM   #256
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Lynn needs better rd access to rt 1 more than it needs better transit or the Blue line.
Lynn would have had good highway access if I95 was built as proposed. There are acutally ghost ramps for a planned highway at the 60 rotary.
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Old 11-30-2018, 08:26 AM   #257
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Hello everyone! What are your thoughts on a proposed Blue Line to Lynn via a Western Route. First, it would a right near the intersection of N Shore Rd and Revere St. It would hug inbetween the marsh and the housing torwards the mall. It would cross over the route 1 loop and run along the Northern Strand Community Trail and hug near Salem St next to Route 1. The area with the many parking lots would serve as the East Malden stop. From there, the train would still be close to Route 1 with a stop at the Mall and eventually cross through some homes to connect with the same Northern Strand Trail to Lynn. Essentially, it would connect the malls as well as go around the marsh. It would goes as follows:

North Shore Road (Connection to Commuter Rail with a new Revere Stop)
Salem Turnpike
Northgate
West Revere
East Malden
Square One Mall
Saugus
West Lynn
Lynnway
Lynn

This proposal would avoid the Blue Line hugging the coastline in the case of severe flooding during storms as well as rising sea levels.
Those are not the routes under study, and the Saugus Branch is a grade crossing minefield so that would never be a consideration for HRT. It's either.

1) Continue from Wonderland under re-dug former underpass of Revere St., cross Diamond Creek on trestle and 1A on overpass, bolt to Eastern Route, eliminate Oak Island Rd. grade crossing with quad-track overpass, replace Saugus Draw with 4-track fixed span. Stops at Lynnport, Lynn.

2) From Wonderland on BRB&L ROW to Oak Island St. to avoid Diamond Creek wetlands, curve behind Oak Island Park, cross 1A on overpass, bolt to Eastern Route and replace Saugus Draw w/ 4-track fixed span. Stops at Oak Island, Lynnport, Lynn.

3) On BRB&L ROW through Point of Pines. Cross 1A by the Lynnway ramps, curve behind Gibson Park & G.J. Towing, cross river on new span following ex-B&M Revere Branch (now power lines) ROW, curve into new 4-track fixed replacement for Saugus Draw. Stops at Oak Island, Point of Pines, Lynnport, Lynn.


Paper-pushing snark aside, they do actually need to do a feasibility study to determine which of these routings is doable and what it'll cost...because right now there's really nothing concrete to benchmark them by. Especially the wetlands on #1 and the building impacts on #3.
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:58 AM   #258
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Those are not the routes under study, and the Saugus Branch is a grade crossing minefield so that would never be a consideration for HRT. It's either.

1) Continue from Wonderland under re-dug former underpass of Revere St., cross Diamond Creek on trestle and 1A on overpass, bolt to Eastern Route, eliminate Oak Island Rd. grade crossing with quad-track overpass, replace Saugus Draw with 4-track fixed span. Stops at Lynnport, Lynn.

2) From Wonderland on BRB&L ROW to Oak Island St. to avoid Diamond Creek wetlands, curve behind Oak Island Park, cross 1A on overpass, bolt to Eastern Route and replace Saugus Draw w/ 4-track fixed span. Stops at Oak Island, Lynnport, Lynn.

3) On BRB&L ROW through Point of Pines. Cross 1A by the Lynnway ramps, curve behind Gibson Park & G.J. Towing, cross river on new span following ex-B&M Revere Branch (now power lines) ROW, curve into new 4-track fixed replacement for Saugus Draw. Stops at Oak Island, Point of Pines, Lynnport, Lynn.


Paper-pushing snark aside, they do actually need to do a feasibility study to determine which of these routings is doable and what it'll cost...because right now there's really nothing concrete to benchmark them by. Especially the wetlands on #1 and the building impacts on #3.
There is a minefield in saugus? We can’t clear it up if a proposed train track runs through it? I am okay with the Point of Pines route since there is already existing development. my concern is that the track runs too close to the coastline which is a concern if the sea levels rise in the next 100 years. Infrastructure should be built to last and the inland route would not have the water concern.
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Old 11-30-2018, 11:26 AM   #259
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There is a minefield in saugus? We can’t clear it up if a proposed train track runs through it? I am okay with the Point of Pines route since there is already existing development. my concern is that the track runs too close to the coastline which is a concern if the sea levels rise in the next 100 years. Infrastructure should be built to last and the inland route would not have the water concern.

The T is doing a sea level rise fortifications study for the Blue Line in Revere right now. They presented slides on it in one of the Nov. FCMB meetings.


The relative merits of your Inland proposal are more appropriate for the Crazy Transit Pitches thread. The T is NOT going to be studying that routing...only the Eastern Route, BRB&L, and some-Eastern/some-BRB&L alternatives. That's what's the discussion fodder for the actual extension thread.
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The T is doing a sea level rise fortifications study for the Blue Line in Revere right now. They presented slides on it in one of the Nov. FCMB meetings.


The relative merits of your Inland proposal are more appropriate for the Crazy Transit Pitches thread. The T is NOT going to be studying that routing...only the Eastern Route, BRB&L, and some-Eastern/some-BRB&L alternatives. That's what's the discussion fodder for the actual extension thread.
Gotcha. I'll move it over there.
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