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I'm surprised no one caught this. It's nice to see that they haven't given up yet, the MBTA really needs to stop going back on their promises.
February 13, 2007 Arborway Committee Sues Commonwealth of Massachusetts to Restore E-branch of the Green Line to Forest Hills The Arborway Committee today filed suit in Suffolk Superior Court to compel the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (State) to restore E-branch Green Line service beyond Heath Street to the Arborway at Forest Hills in Jamaica Plain. The Arborway project was one of the original "Big Dig" transit commitments, which the state promised to complete as part of the overall central artery project. In December, in one of its final acts, however, the Romney administration killed the Arborway project despite efforts by transit advocates to advance the project. This suit names the Executive Office of Transportation, the Department of Public Works, and the Conservation Law Foundation as co-defendants. Citing Arborway restoration as an "environmental justice" project, Arborway Committee Chair Franklyn Salimbene, said, "The decision by the Romney administration to cancel the project is unconscionable. Jamaica Plain is on the 'top 10 list' of neighborhoods with the highest asthma rates in the entire state. Restoring Green Line service is the only viable way of improving public transit and thereby improving air quality in Jamaica Plain. Route 39 bus service has been, is, and promises to continue to be both ineffective and unhealthful." David White, Chair of Jamaica Plain Citizens for Clean Air, said, "In view of the poor level of air quality in Suffolk County, particularly regarding carbon monoxide (CO) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2), Arborway Green Line restoration offers far better air benefits for Jamaica Plain than CNG and retrofitted diesel bus service." Buses produce point-of-service pollution in the form of ozone and small particulate matter, both from combustion of fossil fuel and from tire rubber and roadway debris. According to Dr. Srdjan Nedeljkovic of Brigham and Women's Hospital, "Short-term exposure to these particles can lead to irritation of the respiratory tract, causing coughing, chest tightness, choking, wheezing, and decreased lung function." The Massachusetts Executive Office of Health and Human Services lists Jamaica Plain as suffering 105 asthma hospitalizations per 1000 population among residents of all ages. Among children under five years old, according to the Boston Public Health Commission (PHC) figures, the rate of asthma hospitalizations in Jamaica Plain is higher than in many other Boston neighborhoods at almost 10 per 1000. PHC figures also show that asthma rates are increasing most dramatically in Boston's Latino community, the greatest concentration of which lives in the Hyde Square area of Jamaica Plain, according to the 2000 US census. From a transit perspective, the current #39 bus service, which was substituted for the Green Line in 1986, has experienced significant erosion in ridership. Latest MBTA statistics indicate that since 1997, daily ridership has fallen by 5000, from approximately 19,000 a day to 14,000. Since the inception of the substitute service in 1986, the #39 bus has lost 50% of its ridership. John Kyper, Transportation Chair of the Massachusetts Sierra Club, said, "The remarkable fact is that while #39 ridership has fallen precipitously, during the same period combined Orange Line daily ridership at Jamaica Plain's four stations has remained flat at approximately 23,000. This loss of public transit ridership has a negative impact both on the health of Jamaica Plain residents and on the health of MBTA revenues. It couldn't be much worse." Gibran Rivera , a member of the Jamaica Plain Neighborhood Council and a 2005 candidate for Boston City Council who carried the Hyde Square area, said, "A return of Green Line service to Jamaica Plain and to the Hyde Square area in particular would represent a boon to local merchants. It would promote Hyde Square as Boston's 'Latin Quarter' while connecting the neighborhood to the central subway system." |
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February 13, 2007
NNN interviews Franklyn Salimbene on Arborway restoration lawsuit Chris Lovett of Boston's Neighborhood Network News (NNN) interviewed Arborway Committee chair Franklyn Salimbene recently on the committee's lawsuit to enforce the binding agreement mandating Arborway Green Line restoration. http://199.233.98.16/Lovett_Salimben...view_small.avi All of this is from the Arborway Committee website: http://www.arborway.net/lrv/ |
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http://www.jamaicaplaingazette.com/node/2971
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^ Sound and fury signifying nothing.
Smoke and mirrors. Shell game. |
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The roadway is not wide enough for the trolley. The CNG busses will likely be claimed to mitigate the pollution on their own.
As a resident of JP I would hope they do not return, merely for practical reasons. Centre St. is no wide enough for the traffic it handles now. |
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The old PCC cars were 100" wide. The modern LRVs (Boeing, Kinki and Breda) are 104", while the Neoplan 60' and NABI 40' buses are 102" wide.
I think the biggest problem with Centre St. is you have a ton of traffic using it each day, but there hasn't been a traffic study done in many, many years to find out where these people are coming from, and where they're going. I believe it was Davis square where one was conducted that determined 1/3 of all cars were just circling, looking for a place to park. I wouldn't be surprised if Centre was being used primarily as a thru-street to other areas, with much of the gridlock contributing very little to local businesses. If it turns out that a sizable percentage of cars are just using Centre as a shortcut, then bringing back the E line makes a lot of sense. It would help negate the effects of Induced Demand brought about (at least partially) by the removal of light rail vehicles. |
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There are PCCs kicking around waiting to be bought. Equip them with A/C and run them to Arborway. Btw, European PCCs were narrower still.
Or commission a new, narrower car; they're quite narrow throughout Europe. |
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Initial restoration studies earlier in the decade found the dimensions of the existing cars are fine, as long as parking enforcement is actually carried out.
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It's funny, the main argument I've heard against restoring the line is that the trolleys will cause traffic congestion. That's interesting, because isn't it all those cars that make the 39 bus so unreliable?
It's amazing to me that people will fight against transit because the transit will cause congestion. Isn't the main point that the transit will REDUCE congestion by providing alternatives to driving? |
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Yes, but nonsensical, circular logic is the hallmark of the anti-restoration crowd. It doesn't matter if it's worked in other cities, it doesn't matter if it makes sense from a logical standpoint if it doesn't place rubber-tired vehicles first. A certain segment of the driving class view rails as a threat to their lifestyle. A bus lumbering along behind them is no big deal, but when rails are laid down for a train it is seen as a kind of infringement on their realm. The city is "taking" something from them.
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After discussing the Arborway Restoration with a few of my neighbors who lived in JP since the early 70's, I'm glad the trolley line wasn't restored. All three of them bitched and complained about double parked cars/trucks blocking the trolleys throughout the day. The 39 is the better option because it is just as fast and can go around these annoying obstacles.
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Why would anyone take the 39 when as you've suggested on other threads the OL should be handling all the transit down that corridor? At least be internally consistent in your trolling. Is that too much to ask?
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My trolling is consistent, I never said the 39 should be eliminated.
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To be fair he said the opposite, that it should be expanded to true BRT.
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^^Thanks Van. Actually, I stated that it should be turned into quasi-BRT. There isn't enough room on Centre, South, and S. Huntington to give the bus its own lane unless we eliminated parking spaces. Huntington Ave is the only area where it could be true BRT since the buses could have their own separate lane.
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There would be plenty of room for trolleys here if you move the car traffic off Centre and South Streets. Put the private cars on Lamartine Street and the Jamaicaway/Arborway instead, and reserve Centre and South Streets for public transit.
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