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Old 04-14-2014, 08:29 AM   #801
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"Rosenthal said it will take at least a year to finalize construction drawings, get a building permit, and complete financing arrangements with Bentall Kennedy."

This isn't happening folks.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:44 AM   #802
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Sheesh. At least at Columbus Center they moved some dirt around for a while before pulling the plug. Now we have to wait a year before this can false start and then collapse? So many home games...
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:45 AM   #803
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I don't know if the project's happening, but I don't know what about this proves that Rosenthal doesn't have his shit together. It's not like there are tons of other air rights developments going up and he's the odd man out.
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:54 AM   #804
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I'm not big on tax breaks as you all know but I don't think this can happen with 4.6 Million in tax incentives. Walsh is reaching out so I think he would be willing work with the developer if he needs more breaks.

This might be too economically complicated and I hope Walsh does not go down this path.
This could backfire quickly on the New Mayor. As you give handouts everybody is going to want them.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:39 PM   #805
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I don't know if the project's happening, but I don't know what about this proves that Rosenthal doesn't have his shit together. It's not like there are tons of other air rights developments going up and he's the odd man out.
Exactly. It's not like Rosenthal hasn't developed anything before - he has. The problem is that no one will take the risk of financing air-rights if there are solid ground projects to be had, even in a city that is booming.

The public pays to deck it, or it doesn't get decked. It's that simple. It accomplishes nothing for MassDOT to keep fooling themselves by having these competitions, handing out the rights and then watching for ten years as nothing happens. Build davem's boulevard and have done with it.
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:02 PM   #806
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This project will not break ground unless one of the hospitals preleases most of the office space and/or an experienced substantial developer buys out Rosenthal.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:02 PM   #807
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Taking a whole YEAR? Serious projects get started within days. These pathetic excuses for a delay AFTER getting a tax break scream total troll project.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:15 PM   #808
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Exactly. It's not like Rosenthal hasn't developed anything before - he has.
Really? What's his track record? What of this scale has he ever done?

I went to his company's website and I see alot of school/condo renovations and one 25 story building somewhere.

I'd like to know where he has done something comparable in scale that would mitigate the very obvious signs for concern over the delays on this project - -now even with the city giving him tax breaks.

Walsh is smartly doing a Belichick/Kraft here. The tax break money only comes if he meets performance.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:38 PM   #809
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Walsh is smartly doing a Belichick/Kraft here. The tax break money only comes if he meets performance.
It's great that the tax break isn't guaranteed, but it's also not proper motivation. As others have pointed out, it's a tiny fraction of the total project financing, small enough that it can't possibly make the project viable. Rosenthal is bluffing, because he needs another excuse to delay the project and kick the can down the road.

Making a tax break which wouldn't make building possible conditional on building just isn't productive, though it does have the handy benefit of saving the city the money when the project inevitably dies. You're calling his bluff, but it doesn't solve anything.

Now, the city and developer can both deflect blame by tossing it back at the other, when the blame really lies with the financing sources who will never ever take the risk and increased cost of air rights construction, and reasonably so (see Flaherty, Ned). Really, the tax break and its conditions are a silly distraction. There needs to be a high-level change in approach if the Pike is ever to be covered.
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Old 04-14-2014, 04:43 PM   #810
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(see Flaherty, Ned)
LOL! The gift that keeps on giving...
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:15 AM   #811
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BRA has approved Walsh's proposal:

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Boston regulators on Thursday approved a $4.6 million tax break to spur construction of a new neighborhood near Fenway Park that would include hundreds of apartments, stores, restaurants, and offices.

The tax deal for the $550 million Fenway Center development, negotiated by Mayor Martin J. Walsh, received unanimous support from the board of the Boston Redevelopment Authority. It is intended to help developer John Rosenthal obtain private funding by improving the projectís finances during construction and the first year of operation.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:36 AM   #812
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I give this a 2-3% chance of any phases going forward. Even in the unlikely event of the decking + garage phase actually going up, there's an infinitesimally small chance of any urban buildings going up in our lifetimes.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:39 AM   #813
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A protester showed up at the BRA meeting to object to the tax break, but was shut down ("Not a public meeting"). Brian Golden did suggest that she try petitioning the upcoming city council meeting instead.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:18 AM   #814
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It is now officially "Shit or Get Off the Pot" time for Mr. John Rosenthal.

No more posturing. You either have it or you don't.

I'm glad he's being squeezed now to act or give up the act.
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Old 04-18-2014, 02:59 PM   #815
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Eh we all know we'll be saying this sooner or later... just change Donny to Johnny and we're all set.

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Old 05-20-2014, 05:34 PM   #816
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City council set to vote.

http://bostonherald.com/business/rea...lion_tax_break

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The City Council is set to vote Wednesday on a proposed tax deal for an ambitious $550 million housing, office and retail complex envisioned for land across from Fenway Park and partly over the Massachusetts Turnpike.

Meredith Management proposes four mixed-use residential and retail buildings and a parking garage covering 4.5 acres around the Yawkey Commuter Rail Station that the Newton-based company recently renovated for the MBTA.

The Fenway Center project would be located directly across from the Boston Red Sox's storied ballpark and straddle one of the state's primary jobs centers, the nearby Longwood Medical area, home to Harvard Medical School and some of New England's major hospitals.

Meredith Management President John Rosenthal, among a handful of people who testified at City Hall on Monday, said the project would be the first built in Boston over the eight-lane Massachusetts Turnpike since the Copley Place shopping mall in the 1980s. He said it's a costly and complicated endeavor that requires building a roughly $40 million deck over the turnpike to support a parking garage and other structures.

The company is seeking roughly $4.6 million in property tax savings over six years. Rosenthal said the project would generate about 1,800 construction jobs, 126 permanent jobs and more than $5 million in annual property taxes.

The proposed tax deal, already endorsed by Mayor Martin Walsh and the city's redevelopment agency, also requires state approval.

It calls for a three-year property tax exemption, starting in the 2016 budget year. The developer would then pay an increasing share of property taxes until it reaches full tax payment in fiscal 2022. The project also will pay the state $226 million over 99 years to lease land it owns in the 4.5-acre site.

Labor unions representing carpenters and other building trades strongly endorsed the project on Monday. But some area residents questioned whether the tax deal was necessary.

"Simple common sense tells you that claiming that a project that will generate over $3 billion in profits lives or dies at the hands of a $4.6 million tax break is ludicrous on its face," Steve Wintermeier said.
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Old 05-21-2014, 05:26 PM   #817
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Any word on the vote? I just did a quick google search but nothing came up.
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Old 05-22-2014, 10:06 AM   #818
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Any word on the vote? I just did a quick google search but nothing came up.
I just watched the video of the City Council hearing and it passed (I don't think from what I could hear that there was a single no vote). Video here by clicking on the agenda item (number 0802): http://meetingrecords.cityofboston.g...doctype=AGENDA
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:33 PM   #819
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So this project should be good to go, according to Rosenthal's previous comments. I'm still skeptical that Rosenthal can/will pull this off, but my opinion is that this tax break was a no brainer. These turnpike/air rights projects obviously need all the help they can get, and if this project can go forward then maybe it provides some momentum to other air rights projects.
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Old 05-22-2014, 01:36 PM   #820
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I think it's time to just give everyone building over the Pike a tax break. You're replacing something that currently produces zero tax revenue with something that will eventually produce a lot of tax revenue. It'd be one thing if developers had spent the last 30 years decking like crazy, but they haven't. Seriously, it's been how many years since the Pru was built, and we're still looking at a trench? Let's get on this, please.
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