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Old 12-12-2017, 09:20 AM   #2821
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:39 AM   #2822
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Count me in too. I'm a pretty liberal guy, but that whole article is absurd. I'm white as a ghost and can't afford to live there. Market forces dictates the makeup of the Seaport, not a concerted effort to make it whites only. Glob has really fallen on hard times lately.
Yeah exactly. I don't think there's any (additional) racism going on here beyond the already-existing unequal distribution of income and wealth.

The inequality above is a much larger issue that exists beyond the scope of just The Seaport (or Boston) so I'm not sure why the Globe decided to focus just on The Seaport.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:10 AM   #2823
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Yeah exactly. I don't think there's any (additional) racism going on here beyond the already-existing unequal distribution of income and wealth.

The inequality above is a much larger issue that exists beyond the scope of just The Seaport (or Boston) so I'm not sure why the Globe decided to focus just on The Seaport.
I think the article made some valuable observations about the impact that the old boys' club of development and construction in Boston (and the US generally) has on racial distribution of wealth. Unfortunately, it also chose a really, really offensive approach to judging "racism" of the project.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:16 AM   #2824
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VAN ---Lock this thread up. I don't want to hear this garbage.

This site is about architecture not racism.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:22 AM   #2825
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Where is the push back for the hit piece in the Globe yesterday on the Seaport? I have never seen such a pathetic article where the conclusion was determined and they would go to any length to prove their hypothesis. Seriously Globe? No wonder they are on the verge of failing.
Nothing unusual here, just typical Globe racial arson and bomb-throwing. Integrity died there a long time ago (if it ever really existed in the first place), replaced by hard-core ideology and relentless propaganda. RIP journalism.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:47 AM   #2826
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VAN ---Lock this thread up. I don't want to hear this garbage.

This site is about architecture not racism.
I thought this site was about development, not architecture specifically. If I'm right then how the Glob covers the Seaport is absolutely in scope. Anti-development loons will seize on anything, no matter how absurd, to halt all projects in the city. Its going to take about one nanosecond for Squirrely Shirley and her merry band of whackos to start screaming racism every time a new building is proposed in Boston, complete with frivolous lawsuits, if the Glob story goes unchallenged. Idiotic hit pieces need to be answered in kind, or we run the risk of the less interested public adopting that point of view.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:55 AM   #2827
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The median work continues down Seaport Blvd. and they've just installed the black light posts up and down throughout the median, as well as what appears to be footings for new pedestrian crosswalk lights.

This median (when trees and grass are added) is really changing the feel of these few blocks. Looks awesome.
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:10 PM   #2828
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I thought this site was about development, not architecture specifically. If I'm right then how the Glob covers the Seaport is absolutely in scope. Anti-development loons will seize on anything, no matter how absurd, to halt all projects in the city. Its going to take about one nanosecond for Squirrely Shirley and her merry band of whackos to start screaming racism every time a new building is proposed in Boston, complete with frivolous lawsuits, if the Glob story goes unchallenged. Idiotic hit pieces need to be answered in kind, or we run the risk of the less interested public adopting that point of view.
Well said. People that want to shut the discussion down are the same people going along with the Globe's hypocrisy.
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:23 PM   #2829
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The median work continues down Seaport Blvd. and they've just installed the black light posts up and down throughout the median, as well as what appears to be footings for new pedestrian crosswalk lights.

This median (when trees and grass are added) is really changing the feel of these few blocks. Looks awesome.
Great. Can't wait to see how this comes together.
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:23 PM   #2830
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It takes great leadership to unite. And we need more of that.
Certain groups have succeeded (at least to certain audiences) in framing growth as the enemy of class mobility, and as framing the seaport as a symbolic proxy for this enemy.

The irony (err, travesty) of this is that growth is probably the best possible vehicle for class mobility. Or at least has the best potential to be. More upper middle class jobs = opportunities that weren't there before = means by which residents from disadvantaged parts of the city can move up. A bigger pie (more jobs) means more slices available for those who don't currently have a slice.

To me, it is a leadership failure of the city's current administration that there's even an opportunity for the seaport to be made into a proxy for anti-opportunity. Great city leadership would have been actively working on (and communicating about) programs in parallel that would have connected locals to these jobs. A company wants to move into the seaport - why not participate in a jobs fair at UMass Boston? This could have been facilitated by the leadership and then messaging could have been crafted to the high school & college age residents of Dorchester and Roxbury highlighting the new opportunity path to good jobs. Even if the pathway to these jobs involved a multiyear journey, at least the pathway could be identified, promoted, and worked on collaboratively through industry/community/educator partnerships.

So, do I think the Globe article was one-sided with cherry-picked evidence? Yes.
Do I still think the current administration could have done better at handling this whole situation: absolutely.

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Old 12-12-2017, 12:54 PM   #2831
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Nicely done - per the usual....

The people running the Globe have devolved down to the level of banal, reprobate scum....
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:08 PM   #2832
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VAN ---Lock this thread up. I don't want to hear this garbage.

This site is about architecture not racism.
Then don't read the thread. People want to discuss it.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:31 PM   #2833
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Then don't read the thread. People want to discuss it.
The hypocrisy on this site is disgusting.

Van thanks for shutting the thread down on me.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:50 PM   #2834
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Well we did have a thread (posted on the development projects subforum) to keep it all in one jiffy john..... Until it got moved ...then closed. Divide and conquer hit pieces in the Globe are diabolically effective at furthering division, resentment, and perpetuating hatred.

http://www.archboston.org/community/...ead.php?t=5572

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Old 12-12-2017, 02:14 PM   #2835
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The hypocrisy on this site is disgusting.

Van thanks for shutting the thread down on me.
Just because you think everyone is out to get you doesn't mean its not true...
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Old 12-12-2017, 02:54 PM   #2836
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One issue that I have with the globe site is how it tries to paint a picture about how the majority of construction workers are white while less then half of the city of Boston is. The issue I have is that construction workers come from across the region, not just Boston. If we look region wide the greater Boston area is still overwhelmingly white. The employees involved in construction reflect this.

And they keep using the Seaport as a scapegoat, but you could look at basically any wealthy area (especially suburban ones) and African Americans will be underrepresented. I understand that this is an issue but the Seaport is not the cause, the socioeconomic status of African Americans is the cause.
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Old 12-12-2017, 03:04 PM   #2837
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One issue that I have with the globe site is how it tries to paint a picture about how the majority of construction workers are white while less then half of the city of Boston is. The issue I have is that construction workers come from across the region, not just Boston. If we look region wide the greater Boston area is still overwhelmingly white. The employees involved in construction reflect this.

And they keep using the Seaport as a scapegoat, but you could look at basically any wealthy area (especially suburban ones) and African Americans will be underrepresented. I understand that this is an issue but the Seaport is not the cause, the socioeconomic status of African Americans is the cause.
I was thinking the same thing. Its a bit unfair to say the city is 25% black but we went to the MFA and only found 3 black people there to use another example, when these places are 1) appeal to a wider geographic area, and 2) there is no design to keep people of color out.

I'd also say the articles are poor in that they don't cover Hispanic or Asians views on all this, as if the Glob somehow feels they're not as relevant? Don't know, but worth asking.
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:21 PM   #2838
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I'd also say the articles are poor in that they don't cover Hispanic or Asians views on all this, as if the Glob somehow feels they're not as relevant? Don't know, but worth asking.
It's the Globe's very own institutional racism, such flaming hypocrites.
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Old 12-12-2017, 06:42 PM   #2839
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.....if the Globe story goes unchallenged. Idiotic hit pieces need to be answered in kind, or we run the risk of the less interested public adopting that point of view.
that's precisely their objective.....

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Nothing unusual here, just typical Globe racial arson and bomb-throwing. Integrity died there a long time ago (if it ever really existed in the first place), replaced by hard-core ideology and relentless propaganda. RIP journalism.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:00 PM   #2840
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I'm glad this thread is going off the rails since the other one on-topic was closed.

The Globe really missed the boat by focusing on race rather than economics. The BRA allowing the developers to do "off-site" affordable housing really reeks of classism. And it creates affordable units in exactly the wrong place.

Boston is still very segregated racially and getting more economically segregated with the kind of housing development that is happening in the Fenway and Seaport.

I place the blame squarely on the BRA. It's still up to the same shenanigans despite its pricey re-branding and new acronym.
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