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Old 04-06-2018, 06:12 PM   #4461
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Well now. This is pretty creepy. Especially the video cameras at private residences:
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Old 04-07-2018, 03:30 PM   #4462
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Old 04-07-2018, 09:26 PM   #4463
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Old 04-08-2018, 09:02 AM   #4464
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Old 04-08-2018, 09:45 AM   #4465
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Old 04-25-2018, 02:06 PM   #4466
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New Fire Stations in traditional town-center settings:

Would someone be willing to point me to some really good (or really bad) examples of new fire stations in traditional town-center locations? New England examples probably most relevant, but others would be helpful too.

Context is that my town (Essex MA) is considering building a new fire station in the very center of town, and I (and others) am concerned that its probably not possible (or at least its very difficult) to build a new fire station in 2018 that has a scale and character that would fit in a village context.

Everyone in town claims to want something with a traditional/contextual style and a scale consistent with the rest of the town center (not necessarily disney-eque caricature .. just something contextual) ..

...but my fear is that a fire station in 2018 is essentially a light industrial facility, and has to be built for frequent access by large trucks, + ample parking, hazmat capabilities, etc. And so should be built somewhere other than the walkable heart of town.

So - if you have any examples of new or recent contruction (or even unbuilt designs) that can help me to illustrate what's possible (and/or what we need to avoid), I'd appreciate it!
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Old 04-25-2018, 02:48 PM   #4467
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You understand why fire stations are traditionally placed in the center of towns, yes?
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Old 04-25-2018, 03:37 PM   #4468
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Here are some links you might find interesting, even if they're not the right thing for Essex.
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Old 04-25-2018, 03:48 PM   #4469
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You understand why fire stations are traditionally placed in the center of towns, yes?
Yeah. Come on dude.

It's a small town. Downtown consists of about 7-10 buildings in each direction from the site they're proposing. Alternative site is 2,000 feet north, where open farmland (literally) starts.

It's a volunteer FD so 2,000 feet is not likely to make a material impact on response time (and of course that would be 2,000 feet closer to some portion of the properties in town). There are 3,400 residents and about 1,000 occupied structures. They get <200 fire and EMT calls of all types per year.

Alternative site, in the open farmland, is town owned already. Proposed site, in the heart of downtown, would be a $2.4M acquisition for about an acre of land.

Several other parcels are also in consideration, within a mile of the proposed downtown site. Also, note that the 'downtown' area is neither the actual geographic center of town, nor the 'weighted average' center of population density, nor the only major intersection of arterial roads.

But yes, I do get why fire stations are usually in the middle of town.
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Here are some links you might find interesting, even if they're not the right thing for Essex.
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:47 PM   #4471
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New Fire Stations in traditional town-center settings:
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Old 05-01-2018, 06:20 AM   #4472
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I assume this is the current fire station: https://goo.gl/maps/DMRyfBpKmGr ?

What is their reason for wanting a new one? How industrial it would be is probably related to their reasons for wanting something new. And I'd be surprised if Essex actually needs to have any Hazmat equipment...
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:18 AM   #4473
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That's the one.

Reasons for wanting new:

- Structurally deficient / requires extensive repairs
- OSHA non-compliant (e.g. no system for managing exhaust in truck garage, etc etc)
- Old toxic stuff (e.g. asbestos everywhere)
- No locker rooms, showers etc for volunteer FFs
- Need a bigger police station too (e.g. no holding cells currently - they have to drive any arrested people to the court in Salem), and town wants to rehab existing fire station and turn it into PD (existing PD is one garage space and a single-room office on the ground floor of the FD).

The hazmat stuff i mentioned is actually mostly about giving crews a way to clean and decontaminate themselves & their clothes after an event and before they go home. Currently they have to go home in their gear, with soot, blood [shudder], etc etc on clothes and wash them in their own laundry. In addition to being gross there's also concern about containing carcinogens etc.

Beyond that there is no plan to have anything beyond a basic hazmat capability (i think there's probably a regional capability based next door in gloucester and/or Beverly/Salem).

But in addition to those things they also want a gym / workout room for FFs, plus training space, conference space etc. These amenities are apparently pretty standard these days, for better or for worse...
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Old 05-04-2018, 12:17 PM   #4474
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So this pornstar shit is now 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

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Old 05-04-2018, 01:33 PM   #4475
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:40 PM   #4476
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The other thread was locked but the idea that rent control wasnt/isnt popular is dumb as bricks. It was massively popular in the places it actually existed, aka what actually matters about determining the impact. It was only voted down by those living outside of those communities after a massive campaign by land lords and private developers to smear it.
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Old 05-04-2018, 06:50 PM   #4477
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The other thread was locked but the idea that rent control wasnt/isnt popular is dumb as bricks. It was massively popular in the places it actually existed, aka what actually matters about determining the impact. It was only voted down by those living outside of those communities after a massive campaign by land lords and private developers to smear it.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:33 PM   #4478
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Rent Control helps people already living in an apartment in the city while it hurts people who want to move into the city. I think it's an inherently bad and anti capitalist idea. I know it had its fans though.
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Old 05-05-2018, 07:46 AM   #4479
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Rent Control helps people already living in an apartment in the city while it hurts people who want to move into the city. I think it's an inherently bad and anti capitalist idea. I know it had its fans though.
Agree....but stop subsidizing the corporations with tax incentives to build on priceless real estate which is only a burden on the existing tax base.
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Old 05-05-2018, 10:19 AM   #4480
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Agree....but stop subsidizing the corporations with tax incentives to build on priceless real estate which is only a burden on the existing tax base.
You need to start coming up with new rants.
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