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Old 06-19-2013, 03:49 PM   #1
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Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) in Dorchester?

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Could (PRT) be the future of public transit in parts of Boston— perhaps even Dorchester's own Columbia Point? How about Blue Hill Avenue? South Shore Mobility Inc. will make their pitch to members of the Columbia Point Associates this Thursday morning before taking their presentation to the larger public at a meeting in Mattapan next week.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:06 PM   #2
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Those are adorable.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:39 PM   #3
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For an alternative system, possibly debuting in Tel Aviv, see the following:

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NASA Pod Transports Are Close to Reality—in Tel Aviv



Transport pods that look like silvery fish could soon be whizzing above the streets of Tel Aviv. The Israeli city is looking to become the world’s first to get a mass-transit system co-developed at NASA’s Ames Research Center, Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai said during a Monday visit to Bloomberg News.

The SkyTran system, which Huldai said could help relieve the traffic congestion that plagues his Mediterranean city, consists of two-person vehicles that hang from rails above street level. The pods are nearly silent because their overhead connectors are levitated by magnetism. Pods pull over on side tracks to pick up and discharge passengers so they don’t slow those behind them. They can travel at speeds up to 150 miles per hour, but in practice would go considerably slower.

Pods can’t substitute for heavy duty rail lines. The maglev rails offer far less carrying capacity than, say, a New York subway line. But they’re designed to reduce the need for cars and taxis by connecting areas that don’t justify the investment in a conventional train line.

The system was co-developed by engineers from NASA and SkyTran, a privately held company based at NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jerry Sanders of SkyTran says he’s in talks to raise the roughly $50 million required to build a line to run a little over four miles. That would connect high-tech Atidim Park with an existing train station at Tel Aviv University and a shopping and restaurant district at the city’s north end. After financing and approvals are granted, Sanders estimates that construction and testing will take about 18 months.

The system will be privately owned and will charge fares that are more expensive than a bus ride but cheaper than a taxi, Sanders says. If the first line is successful, he plans to add some that would intersect with it.

Other cities are interested in SkyTran systems. In Israel, Netanya is close behind Tel Aviv in the approval process, Sanders says, and he is in talks with Stavanger, Norway, as well as two cities in the southern Indian state of Kerala.
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:52 PM   #4
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Re: Personal Rapid Transit (PRT) in Dorchester?

Of all places... Dorchester?! Thoroughly confused. It's as if this is April 1.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:13 PM   #5
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Three public learning forums will take hypothetical looks at new urban mobility in Boston
Interesting. Looks like South Shore Mobility is trying to theoretically apply their product to areas in Boston lacking effective transit options: http://southshoremobility.com/?page_id=188
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:20 PM   #6
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:30 PM   #7
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A Route 128 Ring?
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:30 PM   #8
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I have to admire anyone who has the gall to propose an elevated transportation structure through downtown Hingham.

Still, the technology seems just like rail or bus for introverts more than anything else- can this really be cost-effective compared to alternatives?
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:44 PM   #9
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Hmm... well, ok but... hmm.. WHAT?

Let's just assume the UMass application is in Crazy Transit Pitches. The 128 loop idea here is in new-levels-of-insanity transit pitches. What!

On the other hand, bringing this back down only to crazy transit pitches. As a crazy transit pitch, it's an elegant idea for UMass - and anywhere else that a population center or destination is a straight shot from transit at a crummy distance. E.g.: Wood Island to Downtown Chelsea over the existing ROW.
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Old 06-19-2013, 05:49 PM   #10
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I don't personally understand the benefits of PRT over just building a freaking subway.
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Old 06-19-2013, 06:02 PM   #11
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I don't personally understand the benefits of PRT over just building a freaking subway.
Think of it this way: it's like BRT re-branding for cars. Once the NIMBY's negotiate away that unsightly fixed guideway in favor of a far more flexible rubber-tire solution.

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Old 06-19-2013, 07:31 PM   #12
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This is a city that's done everything in its power to tear down elevated transit modes. These folks think they'll be able to get this past the BRA? And Menino or no, the BRA is still the BRA.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:19 AM   #13
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The absurd thing about PRT is that the only "problem" it solves is not wanting to be around other people on transit. At best an airport people mover novelty.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:10 AM   #14
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Gets talked up everywhere; gets actually implemented nowhere.
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Old 06-20-2013, 11:31 AM   #15
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We already have PRT... it's called a fucking highway.

Like, seriously... self-guided cars = PRT! With more flexibility!
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:54 PM   #16
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The idea here is that people would get off the Red Line and use the PRT system to gat around Columbia Point, JFK Library, UMass, and maybe stuff on Morrissey Blvd such as the Globe and Shaw's?
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:30 PM   #17
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This is a city that's done everything in its power to tear down elevated transit modes. These folks think they'll be able to get this past the BRA? And Menino or no, the BRA is still the BRA.
Menino is on his way out buddy. I hearby predict the next mayor will be okay with surface trolleys and 800ft buildings in back bay and downtown.
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Old 06-20-2013, 01:37 PM   #18
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Menino is on his way out buddy. I hearby predict the next mayor will be okay with surface trolleys and 800ft buildings in back bay and downtown.
Or will the next Mayor be some NIMBY king? I've yet to hear any of the candidates talk much about transit or development. Maybe I'm just missing the discussion, but I haven't seen anything to suggest the next Mayor will be very pro-Development...
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:02 PM   #19
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The candidates are talking about what voters care most about: education, taxes, and jobs.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:43 PM   #20
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The candidates are talking about what voters care most about: education, taxes, and jobs.
If they truly wanted to create jobs then they would be talking about infrastructure. We could cut unemployment in the entire country down to 5% if we launched a massive infrastructure overhaul.
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