archBOSTON.org

Go Back   archBOSTON.org > Boston's Built Environment > Development Projects

Development Projects New urban and/or architectural developments in Boston metro.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-10-2016, 05:42 PM   #1
stellarfun
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: salem ma and washington dc
Posts: 4,683
Proposed Old Boston Edison Plant | Summer St | South Boston

To be re-developed. Site is 18 acres.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...ZZO/story.html
__________________
A man gazing on the stars is at the mercy of the puddles in the road
stellarfun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 05:55 PM   #2
George_Apley
Senior Member
 
George_Apley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Union Sq, Somerville
Posts: 3,664
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Figured this would come down eventually.
George_Apley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 07:42 PM   #3
JSic
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 611
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

I will miss it if/when it goes.
JSic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 10:38 AM   #4
falcon42
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 356
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Seems like it will be very capital intensive...Environmental problems in the past. Still technically has functionality. Also, the freight road will be going through this property. Waterfront condos with trucks going through your front yard?
falcon42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 11:11 AM   #5
JohnAKeith
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 4,264
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Can't imagine condos going in there, or anything of significance, honestly. Maybe if they give the land away .. or, possibly, partner with current owner? Without knowing ANY specifics, seems way to fraught with difficulties. Based on what I've read, the risk of contamination is way too high. Not only would I not live there, I'd tell anyone I knew not to, either.

The location seems too remote for high-end, even with other projects seemingly further away getting high prices.

I can only imagine light-industrial. Which the residents nearby may actually prefer, since they're often ignorant.
JohnAKeith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 11:37 AM   #6
Semass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 679
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Designated Port Area.
http://www.mass.gov/eea/agencies/czm...dary-maps.html
Needs state action to change.
Semass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 11:41 AM   #7
fattony
Senior Member
 
fattony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Davis/Ball Sq.
Posts: 1,878
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

I don't understand the contamination concerns. They have already largely cleaned up the site. Besides, we aren't talking about building a dozen single family homes with big back yards for the kids to play and drink from the well-water hose. This could/should be a bunch of high density mixed-use buildings on a big ol' slab of concrete. What's the problem?
fattony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 12:09 PM   #8
SeamusMcFly
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Brockton
Posts: 2,016
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnAKeith View Post
The location seems too remote for high-end, even with other projects seemingly further away getting high prices.
I'm trying to find out in which Boston this is considered remote.

On one hand I almost kinda get it based on current Boston, although it is almost directly across the street from the busiest transit station in New England. But, with the amount of time it will take anything to materialize here, the USPS will have moved and Dot Ave. will be being developed (let that show how long I think this will take). A ped bridge or 2 to get you past the ramps and tracks, and this is not only connected to that new hot spot, but between all the newness of the new East South End, a gentrifying Chinatown, a sure to be hipper Leather District, and still reasonably short walk to downtown.

It'll take some hurdles, but I see no reason you would get close to top dollar in this location by the time it's done.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRifleman View Post
You can have fun anywhere---Fun shouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime.
SeamusMcFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 12:32 PM   #9
DZH22
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,203
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeamusMcFly View Post
I'm trying to find out in which Boston this is considered remote.

On one hand I almost kinda get it based on current Boston, although it is almost directly across the street from the busiest transit station in New England. But, with the amount of time it will take anything to materialize here, the USPS will have moved and Dot Ave. will be being developed (let that show how long I think this will take). A ped bridge or 2 to get you past the ramps and tracks, and this is not only connected to that new hot spot, but between all the newness of the new East South End, a gentrifying Chinatown, a sure to be hipper Leather District, and still reasonably short walk to downtown.

It'll take some hurdles, but I see no reason you would get close to top dollar in this location by the time it's done.
Are you sure you are thinking of the correct site? This is down Summer Street, past the Convention Center and Seaport.
DZH22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 12:34 PM   #10
fattony
Senior Member
 
fattony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Davis/Ball Sq.
Posts: 1,878
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeamusMcFly View Post
I'm trying to find out in which Boston this is considered remote.

On one hand I almost kinda get it based on current Boston, although it is almost directly across the street from the busiest transit station in New England. But, with the amount of time it will take anything to materialize here, the USPS will have moved and Dot Ave. will be being developed (let that show how long I think this will take). A ped bridge or 2 to get you past the ramps and tracks, and this is not only connected to that new hot spot, but between all the newness of the new East South End, a gentrifying Chinatown, a sure to be hipper Leather District, and still reasonably short walk to downtown.

It'll take some hurdles, but I see no reason you would get close to top dollar in this location by the time it's done.
You might be thinking of the wrong location, the steam plant parcel on Kneeland maybe?

This power plant is about 1.5 miles from South Station and the same from Dot Ave. I agree that is hardly remote, but it isn't across the street either.
fattony is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 01:38 PM   #11
SeamusMcFly
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Brockton
Posts: 2,016
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

D'oh!!! you're right. Thought this had split off from the 25, 26, 27 thread. Aw shucks.
I saw Summer street in the title too.
Yes, pretty far away.

https://youtu.be/XJNGMM2pNME?t=85


Is my face red?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRifleman View Post
You can have fun anywhere---Fun shouldn't cost the taxpayers a dime.
SeamusMcFly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 01:49 PM   #12
deh74
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Framingham
Posts: 224
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeamusMcFly View Post
I'm trying to find out in which Boston this is considered remote.

On one hand I almost kinda get it based on current Boston, although it is almost directly across the street from the busiest transit station in New England. But, with the amount of time it will take anything to materialize here, the USPS will have moved and Dot Ave. will be being developed (let that show how long I think this will take). A ped bridge or 2 to get you past the ramps and tracks, and this is not only connected to that new hot spot, but between all the newness of the new East South End, a gentrifying Chinatown, a sure to be hipper Leather District, and still reasonably short walk to downtown.

It'll take some hurdles, but I see no reason you would get close to top dollar in this location by the time it's done.
I think you might be thinking of the Fort Point Channel, not the Reserve Channel. The Reserve Channel is much further away from all of these things and this site is on the wrong side of it as well.
deh74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 02:43 PM   #13
xec
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 347
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

The location

xec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 02:53 PM   #14
stellarfun
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: salem ma and washington dc
Posts: 4,683
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by fattony View Post
I don't understand the contamination concerns. They have already largely cleaned up the site. Besides, we aren't talking about building a dozen single family homes with big back yards for the kids to play and drink from the well-water hose. This could/should be a bunch of high density mixed-use buildings on a big ol' slab of concrete. What's the problem?
From the article, it appears they have remediated the yard, but not the plant.

As for the plant, aside from asbestos, lead, heavy metals, PCBs, there is mercury.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs095-01/fs095-01.html

Note that the highest concentrations of mercury in coal are in coal from Appalachia. This plant burned that coal for at least 60-70 years.
__________________
A man gazing on the stars is at the mercy of the puddles in the road
stellarfun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2016, 03:49 PM   #15
Shepard
Senior Member
 
Shepard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,467
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Trolley yard for GL extension.
Shepard is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2016, 11:00 AM   #16
dwash59
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Allston
Posts: 581
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shepard View Post
Trolley yard for GL extension.
Modern, enormous MBTA bus garage
dwash59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2016, 04:01 PM   #17
falcon42
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 356
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Seems like a relatively low price for 18 waterfront acres. Although they have millions ahead of them in demo and environmental costs before any type of development gets underway.
falcon42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2016, 05:57 PM   #18
whighlander
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lexington
Posts: 6,664
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by BLDUP View Post
South Boston power plant sale closes for $24.25 million: http://www.bldup.com/projects/south-boston-power-plant
from the link part of the reason for the low sales price
Quote:
According to Hilco Global spokesman Gary Epstein, the development team will strive to preserve historically significant details on the South Boston Power Plant site. A Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection currently prohibits residential construction on part of the site; however, with additional cleanup, residential construction could be permitted. More information about the South Boston Power
Under its present conditions -- no residential use is permitted so that leaves much lower value uses

As the developer is required to preserve a lot of the "historically significant details " the flexibility of its reuse is somewhat limited and further there is the Massport easement for the extension of the "Haul Road"
whighlander is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2016, 07:26 PM   #19
JumboBuc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: The Fenway
Posts: 1,959
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

Quote:
Originally Posted by falcon42 View Post
Seems like a relatively low price for 18 waterfront acres. Although they have millions ahead of them in demo and environmental costs before any type of development gets underway.
And to think that the MBTA sold the empty 17.8 acre parcel immediately next door to this one for only $7 million just last year. I still can't get over the fact that that land never hit the open market...
JumboBuc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2016, 05:18 AM   #20
Suffolk 83
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: South Boston
Posts: 2,142
Re: Old Boston Edison plant on Summer St

^Not to derail the thread, but what is massport going to do with that former MBTA parcel?
Suffolk 83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SBWTC /South Boston Waterfront Transportation Center | Seaport BeeLine Development Projects 405 04-27-2019 10:25 PM
Salem Harbor Power Plant, Demolition and New Plant stellarfun Development Projects 20 01-21-2017 05:52 PM
South Boston Heliport PaulC Development Projects 30 09-16-2008 10:35 AM
Gentrification of South Boston... ArcaneAlchemy Boston Architecture & Urbanism 7 08-21-2008 10:34 AM
Gillette Plant Renovation (South Boston) statler Boston Architecture & Urbanism 8 09-14-2007 01:13 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.