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Old 04-26-2017, 05:08 PM   #21
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That tall twisty tower would be iconic for the area. There's also a miniature version of the Millennium Place complex in there. (still 20+ stories for the taller one) What are the prospects that any of these big ones get built?

EDIT: These are the types of developments I was hoping we would get in Quincy when they originally razed half of the center. It's kind of a strange location for such a massive undertaking.
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:01 PM   #22
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Just noticed that Union Point has bought naming rights for a new bar area at Gillette Stadium... seems like they're serious.
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Old 08-31-2017, 11:21 PM   #23
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Just noticed that Union Point has bought naming rights for a new bar area at Gillette Stadium... seems like they're serious.
I saw this too and I saw the interview with the CEO on the sideline. I ended up going and doing some digging, and really couldn't find much other then their site plan.
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:11 AM   #24
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I saw this too and I saw the interview with the CEO on the sideline. I ended up going and doing some digging, and really couldn't find much other then their site plan.
The most recent Google imagery has a decent amount of construction toward the T station, and the Delahunt Parkway is finally complete across the site. There's reasons to be optimistic.

Could we get a title change, btw? "Union Point | Former South Weymouth NAS | Weymouth"
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:39 AM   #25
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This is really cool, but it's never going to happen.
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:30 AM   #26
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seems like they're serious.
Yeah, probably serious about their principles getting plenty of Pats tickets included as part of the naming rights deal.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:16 AM   #27
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Another fire has destroyed a wood-framed building close to it's opening:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...DNK/story.html

Building is likely a total loss.




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Old 09-14-2017, 02:55 PM   #28
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^whats this? Number 3 in a few months, Dorchester,Waltham now this. Coincidence?
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:01 PM   #29
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^whats this? Number 3 in a few months, Dorchester,Waltham now this. Coincidence?
Dorchester was ruled to be a construction/architect defect on the exhaust pipe. Waltham was arson and this one is too soon to rule. The arson in Waltham is what sticks out to me because Callahan is the largest non-union GC in the state and they are doing a ton of high profile projects. That, to me, says the unions are to blame for the arson. Pulte was building this one in Weymouth, they are probably the largest home builder in the county and I will be curious to see how the state fire marshal rules this one.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:25 PM   #30
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Dorchester was ruled to be a construction/architect defect on the exhaust pipe. Waltham was arson and this one is too soon to rule. The arson in Waltham is what sticks out to me because Callahan is the largest non-union GC in the state and they are doing a ton of high profile projects. That, to me, says the unions are to blame for the arson. Pulte was building this one in Weymouth, they are probably the largest home builder in the county and I will be curious to see how the state fire marshal rules this one.
Arson or not this building was essentially completed. If the fire had broken out after occupancy it could have been tragic.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:45 PM   #31
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Waltham was arson and this one is too soon to rule. The arson in Waltham is what sticks out to me because Callahan is the largest non-union GC in the state and they are doing a ton of high profile projects. That, to me, says the unions are to blame for the arson.
I am not a union cheerleader by any means but accusing local unions of arson is quite a claim.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:49 PM   #32
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Arson or not this building was essentially completed. If the fire had broken out after occupancy it could have been tragic.
We've been over this a hundred times: if the building were occupied the fire (in all likelihood) wouldn't have broken out. When a building is under construction it is particularly susceptible to fire because the fire proofing / fire protection systems aren't installed / active yet. But all that stuff is in place before people move in.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:58 PM   #33
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Arson or not this building was essentially completed. If the fire had broken out after occupancy it could have been tragic.
Yah, the sprinklers were not operational yet.
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Old 09-15-2017, 05:25 AM   #34
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We've been over this a hundred times: if the building were occupied the fire (in all likelihood) wouldn't have broken out. When a building is under construction it is particularly susceptible to fire because the fire proofing / fire protection systems aren't installed / active yet. But all that stuff is in place before people move in.
Yes, but because this was another building just weeks away from occupancy it still demonstrates how poor the passive fire safety measures are in these buildings.

This construction method is totally dependent on active measures like the sprinklers, which from an risk engineering perspective is a big mistake. Active systems fail due to poor maintenance -- which you know happens.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:30 AM   #35
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Yes, but because this was another building just weeks away from occupancy it still demonstrates how poor the passive fire safety measures are in these buildings.

This construction method is totally dependent on active measures like the sprinklers, which from an risk engineering perspective is a big mistake. Active systems fail due to poor maintenance -- which you know happens.
I agree with this. I wonder if the lumber tariffs and the increasing prices will dissuade developers from being such cheap asses.
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I agree with this. I wonder if the lumber tariffs and the increasing prices will dissuade developers from being such cheap asses.
With have to be careful here. Not only are you talking about unfairly taxing a building material, but you are also talking about taxing the sustainable building material. Wood is becoming more and more common, because yes it is cheaper, but thermally it has better characteristics then your typical metal stud.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:58 AM   #37
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I agree with this. I wonder if the lumber tariffs and the increasing prices will dissuade developers from being such cheap asses.
The better question may be, how do we increase the safety of these buildings throughout the entire life cycle. We have post occupancy down with active systems, but how do we improve the pre occupancy safety?
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Old 09-15-2017, 08:10 AM   #38
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This fire seemed to originate in, and was largely confined to the peaked roof. As a matter of general practice, are these sort of roofs sprinklered? They generally don't sprinkler cocklofts to my knowledge, which is why firestops are essential.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:27 AM   #39
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Vinyl siding, on plywood, in a grossly fake colonial style. Did they have a chance to install the pressure-treated railings, plastic shutters, and the vinyl white picket fence before this tragedy? When will America finally move beyond all this delusional and perverse nostalgia to something that actually elevates the human spirit instead of drowning it in old-timey schlock?
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:45 AM   #40
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Vinyl siding, on plywood, in a grossly fake colonial style....When will America finally move beyond all this delusional and perverse nostalgia...?
When vinyl siding is available in styles that mimic beton brut and alucobond?
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