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Old 03-11-2019, 04:15 PM   #1281
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Re: New Red and Orange Line Cars

I still dont understand why the line with one destination needs roll signs
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:15 PM   #1282
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I still dont understand why the line with one destination needs roll signs
Two main reasons:

1. No harm in preparing for the future. By the time these Orange line cars are retired history says it's entirely possible we will have different terminal stations or branches. The orange line our current cars were designed for looks nothing like the OL of today.

2. More information is better, always. Those of use who care and use the system daily it won't necessarily benefit but if an unfamiliar user or tourist comes down to an island platform say at Mass Ave and sees two trains sitting there, rollsigns are a really quick and easy way to reassure yourself that you're getting on the right train. Way way way too often I still see people get on trains in the wrong direction in this town.

It's also useful for noting diversions, like this weekend I noticed Red Line trains were signposted to Harvard not Alewife. Now that will confuse the hell out of some people who are expecting the terminal station from the map but shows people that the train terminates at Harvard currently. See: all the tweets from idiots who sat on the trains as they terminated and started back up to Oak Grove from back bay during the OL SW corridor bus weekends last year.

Lastly if the T ever decides to use the express track up north for the OL then rollsigns can indicate that.

tldr; more information is better, always assume customers are pretty stupid and not looking where they are going and sign as many things as clearly as possible, it makes for a much better customer experience.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:59 PM   #1283
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I still dont understand why the line with one destination needs roll signs
Orange's main yard is Wellington. Stuff gets taken out of service there at shift changes all the time, because it's a better use of resources to have a partial revenue run than always be deadheading. Having the electronic signage reflect it is a big improvement, since the manual rollsigns aren't geared to short-turning and you had to rely on the operator's squawking to know.

Helps a lot on Blue, too, to know way ahead of time that it's a train going out-of-service at Orient Heights.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:49 AM   #1284
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Thank you for the picture HelloBostonHi. Aside from the destination sign shrinking horizontally (which I'm not sure how I feel about), I'm glad they at least got the correct "T" logo on the car you spotted (and didn't keep that obscenely incorrect version the mock-up & test car has been showing.

I still don't like the color-coded T logos. Blends in too much with the side of the car, and there's simply not enough contrast between the orange and the stainless to make it work. I know you'd already know you're on the T by the time you're through the fare gates, but it simply doesn't look right to me.
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:10 PM   #1285
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Re: New Red and Orange Line Cars

Might be just me, but
I've observed the fronts of the new Red & Orange line cars, & it seems that the Red Line cars might be wider & the Orange Line cars seem narrower.

Can someone tell me if this is true? What do you think? Well, the top half of the Orange cars are slanted inward. The Red cars are not. That might have something to do with it. The tunnels on the Orange line may be narrower also.

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Old 03-14-2019, 01:15 PM   #1286
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The Red Line Cars are wider: http://bc.mbta.com/business_center/b...022%202013.pdf
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:17 PM   #1287
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Might be just me, bur I've observed the fronts of the new Red & Orange line cars, & it seems that the Red Line cars might be wider & the Orange Line cars seem narrower.

Can someone tell me if this is true? What do you think?
Yes that would be correct, Red Line platforms and tunnels are built for wider trains than Orange Line platforms and tunnels. Red Line cars are 10' 0" wide and Orange Line cars are 9' 3" wide. This is the same as the current Red and Orange line cars. You can peruse the full spec requirements of the new cars http://bc.mbta.com/business_center/b...022%202013.pdf
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:27 PM   #1288
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Thanks, guys!!
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:30 AM   #1289
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Spotted one testing on the orange line this morning on the third track just past Sullivan. Hopefully we'll see these trains in revenue service soon. They're badly needed on the orange line.
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Old 03-15-2019, 09:04 AM   #1290
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Red Line, also! There's a report out, saying that some of the doors are getting stuck open.

Not on the new cars, but the old ones. These are falling apart at the seems, & the sooner the new trains come online, the sooner we can get rid of those antiquated dinosaurs that have been so problematic for so damn long!!

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Old 03-15-2019, 09:28 PM   #1291
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Red Line, also! There's a report out, saying that some of the doors are getting stuck open.
The other day I was on an orange line train where the left side doors on one part of the train weren't opening.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:27 PM   #1292
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These ones from the '50s had the curve only on the bottom half. The top half looked straight up, like the old '63 Red Line Cars. They probably were still narrow though.


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Old 03-21-2019, 06:36 AM   #1293
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The other day I was on an orange line train where the left side doors on one part of the train weren't opening.
A winter full of daily freeze-thaw cycle is murder on sliding door mechanisms. Always has been, though the weighting towards older-than-dirt cars makes it stick out more than usual nowadays. This is the time of year when they're at their most glitchy, and usually doesn't start improving until April-May when temps stop dropping below freezing and the fleet's been given a thorough spring cleaning for any trapped dirt/sand/salt sucked deep inside the doors.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:29 AM   #1294
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It doesn't help that people keep running through them as they close, causing shock to the mechanisms. Last week I was on a train where someone ran through and jammed the door as it was closing. One of the door leafs bugged out and refused to stay closed, which forced the single operator to walk down the train into the car, remove the panel above the doors, reset it, and walk the length of the train again. Those things take such a beating, day in and day out; it's a small wonder they work at all at this age.
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:38 AM   #1295
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It doesn't help that people keep running through them as they close, causing shock to the mechanisms. Last week I was on a train where someone ran through and jammed the door as it was closing. One of the door leafs bugged out and refused to stay closed, which forced the single operator to walk down the train into the car, remove the panel above the doors, reset it, and walk the length of the train again. Those things take such a beating, day in and day out; it's a small wonder they work at all at this age.
I also think the operators need to be retrained on how to close doors. Ok the orange line they use the door close button to make the dinging noise to warn people on the platform and they flick them open and closed like crazy to repeat it. This is usually at least 10 seconds before they're actually going to close the doors but you can hear the pneumatics in the door starting and suddenly stopping closing every time they do it. What unnecessary wear, they put those things through like 6 to 7 door close cycles at each stop just so the door noise will play...
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:23 PM   #1296
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I always assumed they had to keep re-opening them to avoid striking last-second passengers. Either way the solution is, if you have to sprint to make it you should probably just wait for the next one.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:34 PM   #1297
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Two main reasons:

1. No harm in preparing for the future. By the time these Orange line cars are retired history says it's entirely possible we will have different terminal stations or branches. The orange line our current cars were designed for looks nothing like the OL of today.
That would only make sense if the orange line were to branch out. Without branches it would be easy to change the lettering on the train if say the Orange were extended to Roslindale.
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Old 03-21-2019, 12:35 PM   #1298
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Two main reasons:

1. No harm in preparing for the future. By the time these Orange line cars are retired history says it's entirely possible we will have different terminal stations or branches. The orange line our current cars were designed for looks nothing like the OL of today.
That would only make sense if the orange line were to branch out. Without branches it would be easy to change the lettering on the train if say the Orange were extended to Roslindale.

But if you were to branch out to say a West Roxbury branch and a Hyde Park branch than the electronic signs would be required.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:49 PM   #1299
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I sort of wish that the doors would have a counter: Three cycles and then they stay closed until an attendant pulls the stuck fool, tickets them, and holds them for the next train. The shame of that should cut down the straggling.
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Old 03-21-2019, 04:03 PM   #1300
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In most cities, when the doors are closing, they close. You either get out of the way or get crushed like a sad little bug
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