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Old 02-20-2015, 10:26 AM   #101
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Puttin this in the Roxbury thread and people can fight over whether Egleston is Roxbury or Jamaica Plain. When white yuppies come in and push out all the black and Latino residents it will undoubtedly start being roundly marketed as the latter. Whatever. Here's a new proposal that hopefully will be good for the neighborhood without contributing to the assholification of the area:

http://baystatebanner.com/news/2015/...as-first-majo/
Egleston is the boarder. This side of it is solidly JP. source: living a couple blocks away. Also project seems great.
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Old 02-20-2015, 10:51 AM   #102
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The official border is Columbus Ave and Atherton St, but the zip code boundary is what causes a lot of the confusion.

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Old 02-20-2015, 03:32 PM   #103
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^starting your weekend early?
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Old 02-20-2015, 03:52 PM   #104
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Puttin this in the Roxbury thread and people can fight over whether Egleston is Roxbury or Jamaica Plain. When white yuppies come in and push out all the black and Latino residents it will undoubtedly start being roundly marketed as the latter. Whatever.
FK -- why do you think that the current mix is the final end stage of development

This place [Dudley] was once the home of the William Shirley Royal Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony and the Supreme Military Commander of all of His Majesty's Forces in North America [built the house circa 1750] -- the uber of the uber

https://www.google.com/maps/place/33...7924d6cbfef293
http://www.shirleyeustishouse.org/index.asp

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Royal Governor Shirley of course lived in Boston in the Province House but he needed someplace in the country where he could relax in the summer -- Roxbury was then a farming community and it fit the bill

Governor Shirley built his "cottage" on 31 acres of land

The shirley-Eustis House as it is now known then past through several hands -- generally folks with a lot of money -- before and after the Revolutionary War and and still later [circa 1820] it became the home of William Eustis the Governor of Massachusetts [died in office in 1825] who renovated it in the au courant Federal Style

Eustis was survived by his wife who owned the home until 1867 when the house and lands were divided among many heirs

later circa 1880 until 1910 it was a tenement for dozens of unrelated people -- probably first Irish and then later European Jews [Russian / Polish / German]

in 1913 it was saved from demolition and today is a National Historic Landmark

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Old 02-20-2015, 04:10 PM   #105
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Egleston is the boarder. This side of it is solidly JP. source: living a couple blocks away. Also project seems great.
People have argued for decades whether or not Egleston is JP or Roxbury. Although without question there is a "JP side" of Egleston, but the territory itself and homes on each immediate side, as well as specifically where the line is a matter of debate amongst locals and always has been. There has not been an actual border since West Roxbury was absorbed in the 19th century. If you asked people west of the SWC prior to the embankment coming down, many would tell you that Roxbury began roughly where the embankment was. You can find your police district maps, neighborhood organization boundaries, trash collection boundaries, and the arbitrary lines Google makes up for each Boston neighborhood - all are different, all have changed over the years. It doesn't matter because there is no line because JP and Roxbury aren't political units. The borders between all Boston neighborhoods, possibly with the exception of the ones downtown, are really border zones rather than lines. It's fluid.

At any rate, what is called Roxbury by real estate agents, and by newcomers to the city who move to the border zones, has been steadily shrinking, and what is called JP is expanding. It's an unfortunate thing... The South End gets bigger, Mission Hill is now totally divorced from Roxbury, Fort Hill is just Fort Hill; even Roxbury Crossing is now just being called Mission Hill. Lower Roxbury is now the South End. The reasons are obvious and cynical. So yeah, Egleston is within the border zone and the west side will continue to become inevitably more part of JP as the influence of JP and the gentrification spreads uphill from the Orange Line. And in 20 years, it's likely that Egleston will be incontrovertibly planted in JP.

At any rate, a new project would be good for this area, but hopefully wil contribute positively. Paul Iontosca's projects are generally aimed for higher end people, but he has done some nice restorations of old homes in JP so will have to see. Im sure the neighborhood will fight it on account of the size. If you live locally, support it because this corridor is one place where some big buildings deserve to be built.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:16 PM   #106
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FK -- why do you think that the current mix is the final end stage of development
I was typing my other response as you posted this. There is no end stage, we are in agreement. While I think it a little absurd to think that JP can stay exactly the same (like all the people who protested Whole Foods) it does concern me that Boston housing is gentrifying much faster than new housing is built to absorb the people getting pushed out. Certainly, change happens - but in other periods, as the city grew, the suburbs did too. In an ideal world, as Boston's core expanded, Hyde Park would start looking like Roxbury and Roxbury like South End in terms of density. Or do we value the neighborhoods as they are? Do we bulldoze Milton to turn it into a West Roxbury? Who is going to give way? Or will Boston become a rich playground with urban poor restricted to Lynn and Brockton? We can't have our cake and eat it too.
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Old 02-20-2015, 04:47 PM   #107
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I was typing my other response as you posted this. There is no end stage, we are in agreement. While I think it a little absurd to think that JP can stay exactly the same (like all the people who protested Whole Foods) it does concern me that Boston housing is gentrifying much faster than new housing is built to absorb the people getting pushed out. Certainly, change happens - but in other periods, as the city grew, the suburbs did too. In an ideal world, as Boston's core expanded, Hyde Park would start looking like Roxbury and Roxbury like South End in terms of density. Or do we value the neighborhoods as they are? Do we bulldoze Milton to turn it into a West Roxbury? Who is going to give way? Or will Boston become a rich playground with urban poor restricted to Lynn and Brockton? We can't have our cake and eat it too.
FK -- When you look at the totality of it over the past decade plus Boston / Cambridge is developing more rapidly and is now somewhat decoupled from the outer city / suburbs in the Metro area [roughly I-495]

In turn the Boston Metro is growing much faster economically and its demographic in turn are somewhat decoupled from the rest of Massachusetts

However, beyond the growth of the population in raw numbers there is a dramatic change in the populace driven by the "Kendall Sq" evolution in types of employment. Kendallization requires a greater percentage of the working community to have advanced academic backgrounds and significant technical expertise -- the employment demographics of the Kendallized parts of the city more closely resemble Rt-128 in its heyday, than they do the traditional suburban commuters and some city residents who worked in Boston / Cambridge. While this process has been underway for a few decades -- it is now accelerating -- and this in turn means there is and will be a more rapid turn-over in the populace in Boston / Cambridge neighborhoods than just the usual effect of aging of the residents and the slow population growth.

In addition, the Financial District and the Back Bay are expanding beyond Finance and its support dominating activities into the Kendall Sq. Model. Many of these people are attracted to living in the city, and if they are priced out of the near-by housing, they will move into more peripheral neighborhoods.

Finally remember that outside of this time of the year, Dudley is imminently walkable to the Financial District, Back Bay and the Seaport Innovation District. Outside of recent phenomena, the T allows people living in Roxbury relatively easy connections to Seaport / Innovation and Kendall
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Old 02-21-2015, 04:02 PM   #108
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Wow, I've never had a post deleted on me!

Fair enough.
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Old 02-26-2015, 11:16 AM   #109
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Suffolk Construction ditches South Boston move

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Fish and his team ironed out a deal to expand next door. Suffolk’s officials said they signed an agreement last week to use a 99-year-lease to take control of a 56,000-square-foot property owned by Harbour Realty Trust at Magazine and Allerton streets. A small industrial building that houses an auto repair garage will be leveled to make way for Suffolk’s new wing.
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Suffolk moved to Allerton Street in 1988, opening in a three-story building six years after the company was launched. It built a five-story addition in 2000, essentially doubling the size of the complex. The current project will take about three years to complete, including renovations to the existing space, Leary said.
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Old 02-27-2015, 09:57 AM   #110
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I live two blocks from the 3200 Washington Street project and I like it. It is not displacing any residents. The dozen or so affordable units is a lot more than the 0 affordable units that are currently in that space. And the self storage building across the street from it is taller so its not like this new building wouldn't fit the neighborhood.
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Old 02-27-2015, 03:59 PM   #111
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Looks like the type of project Boston needs all over the inner ring neighborhoods.

The big towers in DT and Back Bay are fun to watch going up. But, realistically they are just a drop in the housing shortage bucket. Central Boston is never going to be an affordable place again. It is going to be doughnut market like NYC and SF with market rate luxury and some token low income housing.

Smaller, less expensive low rise developments in the inner ring neighborhoods are where Boston's middle class housing crisis will be solved (or at least lessened). Now the politics will be tough as the neighborhoods shift from working class and disproportionality minority/immigrant to solidly middle class and whiter. But, that is already happening, regardless of if Boston builds or not. JP is the perfect example of that.

As self defeating as it is for the city as whole to oppose middle class housing, it isn't entirely irrational from the perspective of lower income people. No amount of new market rate housing will drive prices down enough to become affordable to a single mother with a service sector job or an undocumented immigrant working under the table. Better to just keep the neighborhood a little undesirable and hope the middle class yuppies go elsewhere.

Hopefully, Boston can find the happy medium that allows enough new housing to be created for the middle classes without displacing the lower classes. But, I'm not sure any city has perfected the mix. Part of the problem is that new development follows displacement (and doesn't really cause it). Generally prices on the existing units in a neighborhood have to rising before it becomes economical to build new market rate units. Not sure what the solution is to the problem? Some sort of mix of a robust market rate housing development policy coupled with subsidies for new affordable housing.

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Old 02-27-2015, 04:51 PM   #112
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There's not much you can do, beyond the crude tool of affordable housing intervention, once the land value goes up.

Barring the invention of a time machine (go back and build the units you need today!), I think that one possible forward looking solution is to encourage the development of units on land that isn't high-priced yet. In other words, preemptively lower the regulatory barriers to development in areas that aren't already hot.

Problem is, politically, it's only after areas get hot to develop that enough pressure forms to get cut through the red tape. And, when a developer does manage to get through, they would rather put the barriers right back up to prevent competition.
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Old 03-14-2015, 03:50 PM   #113
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Vacant lots on Blue Hill Avenue in Roxbury could be replaced by apartments

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A developer has proposed a 40-unit apartment development on Blue Hill Avenue between Quincy and Holborn streets that would include 27 affordable units and 5 apartments for people who make just a bit too much too qualify for those.

In addition to a four-story apartment building, the Community Builders, Inc. is proposing a two-family house as part of the construction, which would replace a series of city-owned lots that have been vacant for decades.

In a filing with the BRA, the developer is proposing 32 parking spaces and bicycle storage, as well as first-floor retail space.

In addition, the Community Builders would create "a dedicated, contemplative/memorial open space on the Blue Hill Avenue/Quincy Street corner."

Community Builders hopes to begin construction this fall, with occupancy ready in the winter of 2016/2017.
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Old 03-15-2015, 03:08 PM   #114
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Pretty ugly design but it is a good scale and will be an improvement to the area.
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:19 AM   #115
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I saw the plan at a community meeting last month. Does anyone know why parking is currently prohibited on Blue Hill Ave in front of the site? School buses? I couldn't figure out why it's a 24/7 restriction.
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I saw the plan at a community meeting last month. Does anyone know why parking is currently prohibited on Blue Hill Ave in front of the site? School buses? I couldn't figure out why it's a 24/7 restriction.
Hmph, the traffic study in the PNF claims parking is totally unrestricted (aside from the usual street cleaning) on BHA. Never mentions any special restrictions.

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On-street parking is generally allowed within the study area, with exceptions. All
unrestricted parking is nevertheless subject to street cleaning for some hours monthly,
and prohibited at fire hydrants. Figure 2-6 shows on-street parking regulations.
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Hmph, the traffic study in the PNF claims parking is totally unrestricted (aside from the usual street cleaning) on BHA. Never mentions any special restrictions.
Street view: http://goo.gl/maps/3fTvB

I actually parked there for the meeting because I couldn't think of any legitimate reason for it to be restricted at all times.
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Old 03-19-2015, 09:13 AM   #118
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Black-led team aims to build in Dudley Sq.
New building to include offices, retail space and residential units



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The new building will be constructed on land owned by Long Bay Management bordered Washington Street, Roxbury Street, Shawmut Avenue and Marvin Street. The building will retain the neoclassical limestone façade of the bank building, and some of its interior. A glass atrium will connect the current bank structure to the adjacent retail and office space on Roxbury Street. Long Bay owns land, currently being used for parking lots, behind the Sargent Prince building. Office space, apartments and condos will be sited where the lots currently are, facing Marvin Street and Shawmut Avenue. Parking would be provided under the new building.

Lee said he envisions a restaurant or live music venue for the old bank, which was built as the home of the Institution for Savings in Roxbury and its Vicinity in 1901.

“We want to start with the old bank building and do something that works off of it and use the space to do something interesting,” he said.
http://baystatebanner.com/news/2015/...ild-dudley-sq/
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Old 03-19-2015, 09:24 AM   #119
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This area is in desperate need of a music venue this sounds fantastic… I wonder if they're going to demolish that building on Roxbury at that is completely falling down.

Edit- wow, the two leaders are 89 and 93… Impressive.
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