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Old 11-13-2017, 10:13 AM   #3241
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I feel like we live in a time where we should be removing wires and not adding more. It's more prevalent in the suburbs. There are so many places that would be so much more pleasant without wires stretching from every structure everywhere you look. I know this is more for highways but just saying.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:37 AM   #3242
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I feel like we live in a time where we should be removing wires and not adding more. It's more prevalent in the suburbs. There are so many places that would be so much more pleasant without wires stretching from every structure everywhere you look. I know this is more for highways but just saying.
Never understood the hate for wires, but, even in this day and age we can barely do internet/TV over wireless (and it is much worse than over say fiberoptics), that I doubt you will see wires go anytime soon. Even cell sites need a ton of fiber back haul to work.
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:32 PM   #3243
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There's a lot of beauty to see up in the sky but gets ruined by wires, that's all.
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:49 PM   #3244
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There's a lot of beauty to see up in the sky but gets ruined by wires, that's all.
Thats why the real version of this concept is pn highways and industrial areas.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:12 PM   #3245
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What is the minimal turn around time at South Station? It seems to me that it should be pretty quick for passengers to debark, the operator to walk to the other end, and a brakeman to conduct the required brake test. I'd think any given track could handle three trains per hour, does that sound about right? If so, then how many trains per hour does South Station handle during peak? I find it hard to believe that they are actually at capacity for more than occasional brief periods throughout the day.
http://old.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/Ab...ORT%20ONLY.pdf has some discussion at the bottom of the 48th page, and the 49th page, of the PDF, which have page numbers 44 and 45 at the bottom of the images of the page.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:59 PM   #3246
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There's been a lot of talk of reviving ferries in Boston, and NYC has gone full steam ahead on ferries in the East River. So here's a thought:

Last year I visited Bangkok, where ferries shuttle tourists and locals up and down the Chao Phraya River. Theses aren't your typical ferries--they are small and fast, with the crew incredibly adept at docking, loading/off-loading passengers, and pushing off again quickly and efficiently. Docks are minimal, dwell times are minimal, and headways are around 10 minutes. This is truly a form of rapid transit on water.

Why can't Boston replicate this kind of ferry system? Rather than a bunch of point-to-point routes (Charlestown-Long Wharf, proposed North Station-Fan Pier, etc.) that are constrained in the ridership they can attract, why not a linear "Aqua Line" that links the entire inner harbor together:

Assembly Square-Chelsea Waterfront-Central Square-Charlestown Navy Yard-N. Station-Long Wharf-S. Station-Fan Pier-Design Center/Marine Industrial Park-Castle Island

The key to this is speed. None of these big, lumbering ferries that take forever to dock, load, and go. Smaller, faster boats, max 15 minute headways, and Charlie Card 2.0 integration would make this a hit and take full advantage of the harbor while being completely unique among US transit systems.
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:24 PM   #3247
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There's been a lot of talk of reviving ferries in Boston, and NYC has gone full steam ahead on ferries in the East River. So here's a thought:

Last year I visited Bangkok, where ferries shuttle tourists and locals up and down the Chao Phraya River. Theses aren't your typical ferries--they are small and fast, with the crew incredibly adept at docking, loading/off-loading passengers, and pushing off again quickly and efficiently. Docks are minimal, dwell times are minimal, and headways are around 10 minutes. This is truly a form of rapid transit on water.

Why can't Boston replicate this kind of ferry system? Rather than a bunch of point-to-point routes (Charlestown-Long Wharf, proposed North Station-Fan Pier, etc.) that are constrained in the ridership they can attract, why not a linear "Aqua Line" that links the entire inner harbor together:

Assembly Square-Chelsea Waterfront-Central Square-Charlestown Navy Yard-N. Station-Long Wharf-S. Station-Fan Pier-Design Center/Marine Industrial Park-Castle Island

The key to this is speed. None of these big, lumbering ferries that take forever to dock, load, and go. Smaller, faster boats, max 15 minute headways, and Charlie Card 2.0 integration would make this a hit and take full advantage of the harbor while being completely unique among US transit systems.
I would just wonder about the safety record on these boats, and the economics of smaller boats/less passengers.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:54 AM   #3248
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I would just wonder about the safety record on these boats, and the economics of smaller boats/less passengers.
Those were my same initial reactions. Safety and economics likely make this a non-starter in anywhere in the US. You have to collect enough fares to pay the boat operator and you likely need more crew than just the driver (pilot? captain? What do you call the guy operating a ferry?) for safety reasons. Therefore a ferry needs to have more passengers than a bus, at minimum.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:57 AM   #3249
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I too have taken those boats in Bangkok and loved them.

They would never work in the US, however. They aren't handicap accessible, for one. They'd also be 100% miserable in poor weather. By the time you enclose them and make them fully accessible to those with mobility issues, you're left with just a normal ferry.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:01 AM   #3250
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^ Amsterdam does it well too. Two-sided ferries so you dont waste time turning around. Having the major transport hub immediately on the water helps too (Central Station there, NS & SS here).

The Long Wharf basin is a terrible spot for inner harbor ferry drop offs. No connectivity + super crowded water sheet.

There's a reason the established harbor ferries disappeared when the blue line opened tho.
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Old 12-12-2017, 02:59 PM   #3251
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Public officials would no doubt scream safety and accessibility, but there's no reason why those should be major obstacles.

Check out Amsterdam:


And Venice:


Fast, safe, accessible ferries. Amsterdam's slightly bulkier ferry works well in a cold-weather climate, but Venice's could easily be enclosed as well.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:01 AM   #3252
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We've had the ferry discussion so many times on here, and it always comes down to three basic problems: Most potential ferry docks are too long a walk from actual destinations, most potential routes already have better transit on them, and frequencies are generally limited. That's why they're used where they currently are: to Charlestown which has poor service otherwise, and on longer coastal routes where limited frequency is okay and they can take a speed advantage on open water.
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Old 12-19-2017, 12:23 PM   #3253
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We've had the ferry discussion so many times on here, and it always comes down to three basic problems: Most potential ferry docks are too long a walk from actual destinations, most potential routes already have better transit on them, and frequencies are generally limited. That's why they're used where they currently are: to Charlestown which has poor service otherwise, and on longer coastal routes where limited frequency is okay and they can take a speed advantage on open water.
Would be good to see some additional piers with good pedestrian connections in closer proximity to North and South Station. Those could be close walks to connect to transit. Aquarium station is already pretty close to where a lot of ferries/taxis dock, but it seems to be near or at capacity. Water Taxi stop at Wynn/Assemby would be a potential Orange Line connection with a pedestrian bridge/connection.

A water taxi between North and South Station would be a good option. I think it will be good to see how popular the Wynn water taxi service is going to be as a good next step.
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