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Old 09-14-2017, 06:45 AM   #3361
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There's still $150 million coming to the city unless we hear otherwise.
I don't think that's true.

$100 million is owed immediately, but the remaining "up to" $50 million was supposed to be variable and a result of sale of the condos. Does that get changed due to the lowering of the height? I'm not sure.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:34 AM   #3362
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I don't think that's true.

$100 million is owed immediately, but the remaining "up to" $50 million was supposed to be variable and a result of sale of the condos. Does that get changed due to the lowering of the height? I'm not sure.
The globe article states the lost height will be in office space. I don't know if they're speculating or they have insider information. If that's the case, the city would still get 150m. If they do end up taking away from the residential portion, they will pay $100 less for each square foot not built out of the 500k+.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:42 AM   #3363
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I would think the developer knew all this ahead of time and had a plan to make it work with paying 153M for 700ft. No need to re-issue or re-bid anything and no more hurdles. Lets get it built. Gonna need that extra space if Amazon is coming to town.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:52 AM   #3364
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hopefully this'll prompt a nearly total redesign. as already noted, the thing was fat/squat enough at 775 feet -- if they simply lop off 75' it'll look even uglier. do something totally different. a... TA pyramid (shorter) type thing? big glass dildo a la 30 st. mary? anything other than a flat roof fatty with slits going up the side (boring)
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:55 AM   #3365
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I don't see this changing much aside from height...slits are probably to make the tower appear visually thinner like the original Yankees uniforms.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:40 AM   #3366
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i think MP said somewhere along the way that the final design was going to differ from the most recent renders. i guess im hoping that, with the change in height and the already on-the-table intention to tweak the design, they'll manage to do something to put this tower on a diet. last thing we need is another one federal or one beacon in terms of proportions.
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Old 09-14-2017, 02:09 PM   #3367
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Or the smart thing to do is to give it a really fat base/bottom that sets back to a telescopic tower, kind of what they do in NYC. This would allow them to not lose any square footage and have a slim tower.

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Old 09-14-2017, 03:40 PM   #3368
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i think MP said somewhere along the way that the final design was going to differ from the most recent renders. i guess im hoping that, with the change in height and the already on-the-table intention to tweak the design, they'll manage to do something to put this tower on a diet. last thing we need is another one federal or one beacon in terms of proportions.
I hope you're right but if they just lost about 10% of their original height, why would they make the building thinner? I just fear $ drives all and in order to get their ROI, the building needs to be a minimum amount of square footage and which will have to be made up somehow following the loss of 7 or so floors.
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Somehow I imagine it's going to end up being what Rifleman would refer to as a "fat bitch in the skyline."
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Old 09-14-2017, 04:44 PM   #3370
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Not sure what all the complaining is about. Building looks good. Flat roof is dictated by FAA limits. You can't expect the developer to piss off millions of dollars by putting in spire in the place of leasable space. We're still getting downtown's new tallest.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:32 PM   #3371
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Not sure what all the complaining is about. Building looks good. Flat roof is dictated by FAA limits. You can't expect the developer to piss off millions of dollars by putting in spire in the place of leasable space. We're still getting downtown's new tallest.
not sure how you don't/can't grasp that many don't share this opinion. it's fine that you have your opinion and, if it gets built as a shorter version of the most recent render -- that's great for you and those who have your viewpoint.

to others, this was not a particularly attractive design to begin with and one that, with reduced height, will become even less aesthetically appealing.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:46 PM   #3372
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It wouldn't happen in a million years but it'd be nice to have the Accordia Proposal design back, either the original or most recent design. On a more realistic note, if we do see a redesign, I hope Handel Architects can play around and get creative with the massing a bit. This will ultimately need to be wider in more areas if they want to make up for the lost square footage or will simply appear wider if they just chop the height out with no alterations. I fear, however, that Handel will stick to their usual design/massing prevalent in most of their high rises.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:52 PM   #3373
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It wouldn't happen in a million years but it'd be nice to have the Accordia Proposal design back, either the original or most recent design....
Accordia would look good by North Station. They could go taller there too. I'd love to see that green tower pushing 850'-900'.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:28 PM   #3374
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One Court Square in Queens is 50 ft shorter than 115 Winthrop (658ft) and has approx $1.4mm square feet of rental space, comparable to what 115 Winthrop is going for. Just saying, it doesn't have to be an ugly square box but it really depends on whether the developers care enough to make it look good instead of just making excuses.

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Old 09-14-2017, 10:24 PM   #3375
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very good point/example ^^^
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:43 AM   #3376
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So, here's where I'm at. Developer has had to run a thicket of NIMBY's the likes of which we've never seen. To my untrained eye, this will in fact be the first downtown building built up to FAA limits AND it had to deal with the Shadow Police. Any building that doesn't look like the Ministry of Truth is a big, big win. We all have our personal preferences and there's nothing wrong with that. We're also not putting in the time, effort, or $$$ either. I don't expect Winthrop place to end up on a post card, but that's not my standard. I also don't expect to look at it and say "Ewww" kinda like I do with city hall.

The economics of Boston (high cost of land, NIMBY's, FAA limits) are what's dictating flat roof buildings. Until the airport gets relocated in the year 2400 that's going to be the standard unfortunately.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:18 AM   #3377
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^ we're very lucky to have an international airport so close to downtown. I hope it never gets moved. This is entirely about making the most of the parcel, with a good design that fits within the parcel's constraints. We can put height elsewhere.

The airport being located where it is is much more of a special asset than it is a relevant obstacle.

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Old 09-15-2017, 11:52 AM   #3378
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^^Totally agree. Very cool to have the airport so close.

Also love the new BRA under Marty and Brian. Height could happen even again!

i believe 1 International Place is close to its FAA height.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:13 PM   #3379
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"Until the airport gets relocated in the year 2400" = joke as I don't plan on being here in the year 2400 and besides aren't we getting into Star Trek territory at that point?

Some you are a little too hard wired out here.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:36 PM   #3380
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"Until the airport gets relocated in the year 2400" = joke as I don't plan on being here in the year 2400 and besides aren't we getting into Star Trek territory at that point?

Some you are a little too hard wired out here.
No i got that, and was responding in an emphatic "why would we ever want to move it, i don't care if it's the year 3,000,000,000" kind of way ; )

And yes, there are opinionated people on aB.
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