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Old 12-19-2018, 05:26 PM   #3301
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Big employers should provide facilities, but there should also be public bike commute facilities around the city to cover all the people working for small companies.
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Ride cautiously, ride defensively, ride assertively.
Yes. Always this. So many people for some reason bike so unsafely... it kills me. Bright clothes, a high-quality helmet, pay attention, don't drown out sound with headphones... And, pay attention to the reality of the road, and don't assume you're A-OK just because the law says you have equal rights with cars.
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Old 12-27-2018, 10:31 AM   #3302
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The bike components of the Arborway project are complete! Full grade separated paths on both sides of Washington, Arborway, through both plazas and even the whimsical bike rotary are all rideable!
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:38 PM   #3303
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I have a few questions for you more seasoned vets:

What's the most dangerous thing about biking in the winter relative to the summer, in Boston? Darkness? Cold? Ice? Snow banks narrowing the roads?

Also, if you were to use alternate transportation on the "worst" days of the year, what would those days be? Heaviest snowfall? Immediately following a flash freeze? Most bitterly cold days? Deepest snow depth - presence of huge snowbanks?
I used to be a year round commuter. The worst was riding in unprotected bike lanes or shared streets in rain after dark. People already have trouble seeing and you combine that with people messing around on their phones. I liked riding in snow. The cold wasnít so bad, but you really need things like bar mitts and wind-proof boots and ski goggles for the super cold days.
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Old 01-05-2019, 04:29 PM   #3304
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The bike components of the Arborway project are complete! Full grade separated paths on both sides of Washington, Arborway, through both plazas and even the whimsical bike rotary are all rideable!
Nice. I wanted to bike today, but the weather is not permitting. Henry, do you (or does anyone else) know of any plans to take another look at Hyde Park Ave. as far as bike safety is concerned? The reconstruction from a few years ago was a big aesthetic improvement, but itís incredibly unsafe to bike... which is unfortunate, because itís a logical and direct conduit to all of the parks and parkways south of the cityÖ
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Old 01-07-2019, 11:00 AM   #3305
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The bike components of the Arborway project are complete! Full grade separated paths on both sides of Washington, Arborway, through both plazas and even the whimsical bike rotary are all rideable!
Id love to see photos
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Old 01-07-2019, 11:14 AM   #3306
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How do bikers feel about the electric scooters (re: Bird, Lime, etc.) that briefly took Somerville/Cambridge by storm and seem poised for a reintroduction, with the addition of Boston, once legislation allows for it?

Inevitably, these will share the same bike infrastructure, but they're slower than bikes and users will likely lack the experience and familiarity with the infrastructure and rules that most commuter cyclists have. I actually like them, but I see them as being a pain in the ass for cyclists.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:34 PM   #3307
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Lrfox:

Personally, I favor all forms of individualized, low carbon footprint mobility. That said, I agree with you that there is a risk that a new surge in users might be chaotic as first. I think the solution lies in advocacy and education.

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Henry, do you (or does anyone else) know of any plans to take another look at Hyde Park Ave. as far as bike safety is concerned? The reconstruction from a few years ago was a big aesthetic improvement, but itís incredibly unsafe to bike... which is unfortunate, because itís a logical and direct conduit to all of the parks and parkways south of the cityÖ
I haven't heard anything about that, although I know there are people trying to bring attention to the idea of a Washington St. style priority bus/bike lane. Hopefully that will get some traction.

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Id love to see photos
Unfortunately, I don't have any, but here are some pictures I found on google:

Rotary, nearing completion


Bike path on Arborway, approaching Washington


This is basically accurate. Somewhat hidden on the rendering are off street paths on Washington approaching from the South
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:21 PM   #3308
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Interesting that they want PEDS TO YIELD to bikes.




(Im taking a piss at them using standards intended for 65mph on a bikeway)
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:29 PM   #3309
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No, you are reading the pavement markings wrong. Picture it from the cyclist's viewpoint. It reads "yield to peds," which I take to mean that if I'm on a bike, I am rightly instructed to yield to the slower, more vulnerable individual. That said, I'm already going a bit nuts with the number of people walking or worse, just milling about in the bike lanes, rather than the ample side walks and pedestrian plazas.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:46 PM   #3310
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No, you are reading the pavement markings wrong. Picture it from the cyclist's viewpoint. It reads "yield to peds," which I take to mean that if I'm on a bike, I am rightly instructed to yield to the slower, more vulnerable individual. That said, I'm already going a bit nuts with the number of people walking or worse, just milling about in the bike lanes, rather than the ample side walks and pedestrian plazas.
Im reading it how normal people (not highway engineers) read: from top to bottom.

PEDS
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:12 PM   #3311
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No, you are reading the pavement markings wrong. Picture it from the cyclist's viewpoint. It reads "yield to peds," which I take to mean that if I'm on a bike, I am rightly instructed to yield to the slower, more vulnerable individual. That said, I'm already going a bit nuts with the number of people walking or worse, just milling about in the bike lanes, rather than the ample side walks and pedestrian plazas.
I've beaten this drum for years, but Boston needs to be more aggressive with telling peds to stay out of the bike lanes. Not every single path is 'multi use' and in high traffic areas like here and around Ruggles, they should have painted the pavement red with big signs telling walkers to stay off. It's a problem that has a very easy solution.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:50 PM   #3312
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Im reading it how normal people (not highway engineers) read: from top to bottom.

PEDS
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Normal people would note the large white arrow indicating the direction of movement and reading order.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:05 PM   #3313
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Normal people would note the large white arrow indicating the direction of movement and reading order.
You really think the arrow is there to indicate reading order?

Really?


Bad Feel Should You And Insane Is That <-
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:45 PM   #3314
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I've beaten this drum for years, but Boston needs to be more aggressive with telling peds to stay out of the bike lanes. Not every single path is 'multi use' and in high traffic areas like here and around Ruggles, they should have painted the pavement red with big signs telling walkers to stay off. It's a problem that has a very easy solution.
So bikes donít need to ride in the bike lane and can take a full traffic lane but pedestrians should stay out of the bike lanes that they are entitled to be in?
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:57 AM   #3315
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You really think the arrow is there to indicate reading order?

Really?


Bad Feel Should You And Insane Is That <-
Remedial Life Skills 101; Progression occurs in the direction of the movement.

As has been shown in this thread, you are the only one having trouble with that.......For the sake of innocent lives, please don't drive.

But if you someday do, you will see things like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=stop...w=1517&bih=730

and this:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...30.x92P4tN3tJc

You're welcome.

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Old 01-10-2019, 07:20 AM   #3316
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So bikes donít need to ride in the bike lane and can take a full traffic lane but pedestrians should stay out of the bike lanes that they are entitled to be in?
Uh dude... itís not about ďentitlementĒ but about the law, which says bikes can use a full lane. Pedestrians arenít ďentitledď to use a bike lane when there is a sidewalk right next to it; while thatís not illegal, itís stupid and rude. Nor are bikes allowed on sidewalks in many places (such as Cambridge, and that IS the law). You sound like somebody with some sort of car versus bike axe to grind.

Transportation related behaviors in Boston generally need more regulating, because people drive, bike, and walk more inconsiderately than any city I have ever visited. Thatís a whole different discussion, but other than being constitutionally against bikes I donít see what gets your hackles up about demanding that peds and bikes actually be segregated in places where the government spent millions to design parallel paths. Jeez.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:17 AM   #3317
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Uh dude... itís not about ďentitlementĒ but about the law, which says bikes can use a full lane. Pedestrians arenít ďentitledď to use a bike lane when there is a sidewalk right next to it; while thatís not illegal, itís stupid and rude. Nor are bikes allowed on sidewalks in many places (such as Cambridge, and that IS the law). You sound like somebody with some sort of car versus bike axe to grind.

Transportation related behaviors in Boston generally need more regulating, because people drive, bike, and walk more inconsiderately than any city I have ever visited. Thatís a whole different discussion, but other than being constitutionally against bikes I donít see what gets your hackles up about demanding that peds and bikes actually be segregated in places where the government spent millions to design parallel paths. Jeez.
+1. It's about efficiency of movement. If everyone simply acts like an adult and stay in their lane, Boston can handle 5+ million residents and Odurandina can get all the supertalls he wants.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:18 AM   #3318
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Remedial Life Skills 101; Progression occurs in the direction of the movement.

As has been shown in this thread, you are the only one having trouble with that.......For the sake of innocent lives, please don't drive.

But if you someday do, you will see things like this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=stop...w=1517&bih=730

and this:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...30.x92P4tN3tJc

You're welcome.

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Nope. Jass is correct. This is dumb and counter-intuitive.

Bikeway looks nice though.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:37 AM   #3319
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Im reading it how normal people (not highway engineers) read: from top to bottom.

PEDS
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Yeah, but normal people are actually approaching it from the other direction. The photographer is facing the on-coming traffic, so he is giving you a reverse angle on the image.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:54 AM   #3320
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people will argue about anything.
pavement marking text is always supposed to be in the direction of movement.
https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads.../bl_delmar.jpg

its not a highway standard applied to a bike lane. even peds get the same treatment:
http://www.pedbikesafe.org/bikesafe/cm_images/34_1.jpg

the only thing that is allowed to change based on speed is the size of text and distance between each line.
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