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Old 10-29-2016, 07:21 AM   #1
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Avalon Brighton | 139-149 Washington Street | Brighton

PNF filed for 250 units inside of two buildings near the green line and Brighton Center. The first building is a 220 unit apartment building and the second building will be a 30 unit condo building. Avalon hopes to start construction next year. The project will also include 250 parking spots (in my opinion fair because the location is not central and the green line sucks). 13% of units will be designated affordable.

Sure new downtown towers are flashy but developments like this will provide housing for people who aren't in the 1%.





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Old 10-29-2016, 06:13 PM   #2
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Im all for that...

Brighton is one of the worst neighborhoods, though... very insular, very backward, and very, very politically connected to the old machines of local politics. They have successfuly lobbied against all kinds of developments... it's a wonder that the NB center went through, but everything else around St E's, Washington, and Cleveland Circle is opposed outright.
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Im all for that...

Brighton is one of the worst neighborhoods, though... very insular, very backward, and very, very politically connected to the old machines of local politics. They have successfuly lobbied against all kinds of developments... it's a wonder that the NB center went through, but everything else around St E's, Washington, and Cleveland Circle is opposed outright.
Speaking as a non-Brighton resident, I really hope you have some solid documentation to back up this rather gross generalization, other than, "Secretary Galvin famously lives adjacent to Boston College and famously opposes any BC expansion north of Commonwealth Ave." Because otherwise, this is just ridiculously unsubstantiated myth-spewing... also, what makes Brighton residents necessarily more NIMBYite in orientation than any other neighborhood? Certainly not the claim that they're "very politically connected."
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Old 10-30-2016, 06:39 PM   #4
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Speaking as a non-Brighton resident, I really hope you have some solid documentation to back up this rather gross generalization, other than, "Secretary Galvin famously lives adjacent to Boston College and famously opposes any BC expansion north of Commonwealth Ave." Because otherwise, this is just ridiculously unsubstantiated myth-spewing... also, what makes Brighton residents necessarily more NIMBYite in orientation than any other neighborhood? Certainly not the claim that they're "very politically connected."
I live in Brighton; I own a condo quite nearby this development. Despite my family having deep roots in this area (my grandfather ran a grocery store here from the 1930s-60's), I can't quite confirm or deny the above sentiments...

I will, however, offer an observation. Brighton is a very odd mix of resident types compared to other Boston neighborhoods. On the one hand, you have a very large population of transient renters (lots of 4-5 story apartments lining Comm ave. and several other streets), and on the other hand, when you go a couple blocks off of the main streets, you have single family houses. So the residents tend to either be renters who aren't advocating one way or another for things, or deeply interested/invested single family homeowners. There's very little middle of the road.

Not sure what this means relative to above but just thought I'd share.

I did ping the BRA a while back about why there weren't more middle-range condo developments being proposed in Brighton, and they responded with a polite "yes we see there is likely a gap there".
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Old 10-31-2016, 03:53 PM   #5
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^All very true. The deeply rooted contingency = Brighton other than Comm Ave. It's the other West Roxbury. On the one hand, I can't fault them for resisting change... they settled in and why wouldn't they want to change? I do sympathize, in a way.... but on the other... This part of town is one of the last bastions of parochial old Boston and all that that connotes. DBM, gimme a break... puh leaze. Galvin is a classic symbol of all that's wrong with local politics. And yes, if it weren't for Seth Moulton, he'd have scored yet another obstructionist victory on behalf of his neighborhood. Google that, for starters. Look up Eva Webster. Review the history.
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:24 PM   #6
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DBM, gimme a break... puh leaze. Galvin is a classic symbol of all that's wrong with local politics. And yes, if it weren't for Seth Moulton, he'd have scored yet another obstructionist victory on behalf of his neighborhood. Google that, for starters. Look up Eva Webster. Review the history.
No arguments regarding Galvin; I'm sure he's earned his moniker, "The Prince of Darkness," for good reason.

No need for me to Google Seth Moulton (aka Captain America) having championed the veterans shelter on Comm. Ave. versus Galvin--I read about that in the Globe months ago.

And, no need for me to look up Eva Webster--I've read about her attempts to stall the Cleveland Circle Cinema development, a long time ago--she was all over the community submissions to the BRA and on various blogs.

So, you've supplied two anecdotal, isolated incidents that I was aware of months ago and have still done nothing to back-up your gross generalizations: that Brighton is somehow, in a way that is statistically significant, more NIMBYite and also somehow more "politically connected" than all other Boston neighborhoods, however defined.

Wanna try again?
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:01 AM   #7
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Speaking as a non-Brighton resident, I really hope you have some solid documentation to back up this rather gross generalization, other than, "Secretary Galvin famously lives adjacent to Boston College and famously opposes any BC expansion north of Commonwealth Ave." Because otherwise, this is just ridiculously unsubstantiated myth-spewing... also, what makes Brighton residents necessarily more NIMBYite in orientation than any other neighborhood? Certainly not the claim that they're "very politically connected."
Do you think a huge swath of Brighton should be an "Architectural Conservation District"? Most of the others in Boston, I can pseudo-agree with. Brighton's designation seems to be 100% NIMBY.
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:49 AM   #8
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Do you think a huge swath of Brighton should be an "Architectural Conservation District"? Most of the others in Boston, I can pseudo-agree with. Brighton's designation seems to be 100% NIMBY.
Again, as someone who lives a few hundred feet from this development:

Yes the charming 1920's era apartment buildings that line Comm. ave (and near Brighton Ctr and Oak Sq.) should be preserved. Other than that, Brighton generally suffers from under-investment and does not have particularly good architecture. We should be making it easier for developers to pump improvement money into Brighton. As I've attested on other threads, there are a couple vacant parcels where development has been delayed within several hundred meters of the Comm/Wash intersection (two abandoned gas stations).
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Old 11-01-2016, 08:05 AM   #9
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Do you think a huge swath of Brighton should be an "Architectural Conservation District"? Most of the others in Boston, I can pseudo-agree with. Brighton's designation seems to be 100% NIMBY.
Yeah, I just looked that up--the "Aberdeen Historic District", which runs from Cleveland Circle, south of Comm. Ave., to the Wash. & Comm. Ave. intersection, spreading south to the Brookline line. That one does seem to be pretty undeserving of that kind of protection; nothing remarkable about that area I'm aware of.

So perhaps that speaks to one resident--i.e., Sec. Galvin--wielding uniquely disproportionate influence with the historic commissions charged with designating these districts. I still don't see how that kind of anomaly/aberration means all of Brighton is, in aggregate, more NIMBY or more possessing of undeserved political access than other Boston neighborhoods. How do you measure it without resorting to anecdotes?
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Old 11-01-2016, 10:25 AM   #10
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Most of Brighton is rather garbage architecture, but the Aberdeen section (between Comm and Beacon, and between Chestnut Hill Ave and Washington/Corey) is actually pretty unique. A full write-up is here (though I believe this used to have pictures): http://www.bahistory.org/HistoryAberdeenBill.html

The dense Sutherland/Strathmore/Chiswick corridors, are, despite the student-y reputation, really quite beautiful and well-proportioned. Up the hill from there, roads like Kilsyth and Selkirk are narrow, winding country paths without sidewalks (this area was laid out as a small village/suburb before Beacon or Comm Ave existed). Lots of old mansions, many condo-ized up there. Meanwhile, Comm Ave between Lanark and Sutherland has some impressive Tudor-style apartment buildings, and there are similar Gingerbread-Tudor (I know I have that term wrong!) houses/apartments scattered throughout the neighborhood. All in all, a very interesting little area whose character is worth preserving. Do I think that extends to Cleveland Circle? Hell no. Tear that all down and start over, please.
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:53 PM   #11
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:50 AM   #12
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Re: Avalon Brighton | 139-149 Washington Street | Brighton

It looks almost lower density than the before pictures. Wtf NIMBYs, is this what you really want?
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:59 AM   #13
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It looks pretty appropriate for the neighborhood to me.
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It looks pretty appropriate for the neighborhood to me.
Yeah, I'm all for density but gotta keep in mind that this is one of 3 major new projects along this stretch of Washington. That greenspace will effectively be the greenspace for a long row of apartments and condos, not just this development.

In general, this area of Brighton will really be getting an injection of development, in what seems (thus far) to be a thoughtfully planned way.

I've been only half paying attention to this one (despite living close by), but I am impressed that the developer listed to community feedback and incorporated 30 condo units amidst the couple hundred apartments (original draft plan was all apartments).

So far so good...let's see how it rolls out
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Old 04-12-2017, 10:31 AM   #15
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The Washington edge should go to the sidewalk to give it some urbanity—there would still be more than enough greenspace. Never would have guessed this was Avalon by the renderings, this actually looks good as opposed to their usual rest home/assisted living designs.
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Thought I'd take a moment today to update several of the Brighton projects that are chugging along at a solid clip, despite being somewhat under-the-radar here on aB.

139-149 Washington is one of three major projects on Washington St. between St. Elizabeth's and Comm Ave.

Developer has been proceeding through the approvals process:
- PDA submitted December 21
- Public Meeting scheduled for January 28th, 2019, at Brighton Marine
- BPDA comments period is open...through Feb 13th, 2019

This development consists of 180 rental units and 30 condos for sale.
It directly abuts / is integral with Cabot Cabot & Forbes' St. Gabriel's project next door.

Design slides from mid-2018
PDA from last month

I couldn't help but laugh heartily at their description of the Allston/Brighton transient renter market vs. the mid-career professionals market they are targeting (see slide 26).

Here's looking at intersection of Monastery and Washington:


And here's this view (showing the adjacent older apartment building):
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:18 PM   #17
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Wow, the Washington Street corridor has a lot going on and looks like a lot more to come on the south side, too. The other Washington Street (well, one of the others) in JP is also developing rapidly, at a crazy clip. Nice to see so many vacant / underdeveloped lots getting filled in.
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Wow, the Washington Street corridor has a lot going on and looks like a lot more to come on the south side, too. The other Washington Street (well, one of the others) in JP is also developing rapidly, at a crazy clip. Nice to see so many vacant / underdeveloped lots getting filled in.
1,321 new residential units along the < 0.5 mile stretch of Washington that crosses Commonwealth. (St. Gabriel's, Avalon, 101-105 Wash, Whole Foods, and 5 Wash)

(Let's hope the transit can support this! I sent in some input in this regard).
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1,321 new residential units along the < 0.5 mile stretch of Washington that crosses Commonwealth. (St. Gabriel's, Avalon, 101-105 Wash, Whole Foods, and 5 Wash)

(Let's hope the transit can support this! I sent in some input in this regard).
Wow, that's something like the 3rd largest development cluster in the city. In regards to transit, improving the B branch with stop consolidation, cross street closings and platform lengthening for 225ft GL trains should be the #1 priority.
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Most of Brighton is rather garbage architecture, but the Aberdeen section (between Comm and Beacon, and between Chestnut Hill Ave and Washington/Corey) is actually pretty unique. A full write-up is here (though I believe this used to have pictures): http://www.bahistory.org/HistoryAberdeenBill.html

The dense Sutherland/Strathmore/Chiswick corridors, are, despite the student-y reputation, really quite beautiful and well-proportioned. Up the hill from there, roads like Kilsyth and Selkirk are narrow, winding country paths without sidewalks (this area was laid out as a small village/suburb before Beacon or Comm Ave existed). Lots of old mansions, many condo-ized up there. Meanwhile, Comm Ave between Lanark and Sutherland has some impressive Tudor-style apartment buildings, and there are similar Gingerbread-Tudor (I know I have that term wrong!) houses/apartments scattered throughout the neighborhood. All in all, a very interesting little area whose character is worth preserving. Do I think that extends to Cleveland Circle? Hell no. Tear that all down and start over, please.
+1

I really like that neighborhood quite a bit (at one time lived on the edge, just over the line in Brookline. It is not all that similar to what most people think of regarding Brighton.
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