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Old 01-21-2018, 10:11 AM   #1
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Maasterplanned cities

General discussion of old, new, proposed masterplanned cities.

I think it would be cool to see the USís take on a brand new masterplanned mega city. Most of our cities are planned, with their differinng grids, DC is masterplanned, but we dont have a modern masterplanned city taking advantage of all the advances in construction, transit etc..

With cities like Dubai starting out pretty badly designed along SZR but now in Business Bay on Dubai blvd actually being very walkable and scaled, I think a perfect storm is coming where truly great cities are able to be built from scratch now.

General masterplanned city discussion can go here like Paris, DC, to Dubai, Capital Cairo...etc.

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Old 01-21-2018, 01:30 PM   #2
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

I like the big-picture thinking.

With all the under-utilied infrastructure in shrunken cities like detroit, what's the potential for overlaying your 'new masterplanned megacity' on a place like that?
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Old 01-21-2018, 03:27 PM   #3
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

Great idea! I've dreamed many times about this.

Why should China have all the fun? They get to build new ones every year or so.
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Old 01-21-2018, 05:55 PM   #4
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

Where though? Would it be in a mid-west city.

Maine could be an option.
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Old 01-22-2018, 06:00 PM   #5
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

Idk somewhere along the coast is obviously preferable. Probably somewhere with generally good weather as well but doesnt need to be florida or anything. Id think maybe like maryland or virginia maybe. It would be a mega city so probably along the east coast where the major cities are and within transit distance. I know from living in the nc area there is tons of land where weirdly the worst towns are by the ocean and it gets better inland. I think this could be a cool solution to our mega population and all our cities being very old. You could literally include the best parts from every great city and not the bad. I wonder how it would work in the us vs over seas. You could have the govt be the main party financially and lay out the initial road grid and transit system then sell off the blocks to developers from the country and all around the world. It could be a dubai type situation without the mess that is. It could be an up and coming city thats cheap to move into. Id imagine start in the middle and build your way outward. You see these masterplanned cities popping up all over the world but their kind of horrible because theyre like huge office parks. We could really do it right here.
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Where though? Would it be in a mid-west city.

Maine could be an option.
Some of the islands could do. Some minuscule coastal townships between BH and Eastport would also work. There are lots of un-incorporated territories up on the St. John River and other places in Northern Maine.
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https://www.worldtravelguide.net/fea...-simple-steps/
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...step-diy-guide
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._own_town.html
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:05 PM   #8
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

All of those "finger" peninsulas on the Potomac/Chesapeake bay are just farmland and even the peninsula on the right that the Chesapeake bay bridge goes to is as well, so those could easily be used as a blank slate for a brand new waterfront east coast city that ties into the rest of BOS-WASH. Its close to DC also and could be tied right into the Amtrak system and other train lines that run down the coast and you have a blank slate to start from so they don't have to be added in later.




You could use something like Quincy Market as your city hall.




Then knock out a big piece of the grid to give it a central park as the main park also like we have in Boston.




Then you'd have water on both sides of the city with bridges leading over to one of those peninsulas like New York which would give downtown a distinct area from the rest of the city.




They wouldnt be old like these, probably concrete, but that would look cool because no other city has a bunch of new school concrete cable stay bridges leading to the city in the way New York has with its older bridges.

Theres plenty of different styles now, and you can also paint them different colors if you want and have different colored cables like grey or black or even red if you want.








It would be on a peninsula so the downtown would be separated from the rest of the city because of the water giving it an NY feel, but new school and probably not 2 distinct skylines so it would look more like just midtown as the whole city.




You could also have public spaces every couple of blocks and small parks like Paris.




Give it a high line like New York but you could build it out of scratch from concrete and have it encompass the entire city.





Make sure any garages in the city are covered up like this side of the garage in Assembly.




It would look different than this but heres and example of some planned cities.









Make sure theres no less than 5 story buildings on all main roads, on a gridded street system, but have a few roads that change it up and maybe circle around or something. The area on the Chesapeake bay looks good, but I just took a quick look and saw that, but theres tons of places along the eastern seaboard that you could use.

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Old 04-04-2018, 03:31 PM   #9
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All of those "finger" peninsulas on the Potomac/Chesapeake bay are just farmland
Right, it's just farmland. What do we need that for? We can bulldoze it all and feed the new residents Soylent Green.
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Im saying you wouldn't have to displace whole towns and people from their homes and thats the only way your going to get a blank slate to start from. I didn't anywhere say farmland isn't important, but theres LOTS of it if you've ever taken a flight over the center of the US thats literally all it is. Using up a few farms on waterfront eastern seaboard property I think is a good trade off as you can easily just move them somewhere else, not a huge deal.

Theres sooooo much land in America that literally the entire middle of the country is farmland. In the Marines I took a flight from Pensacola Fl to Seattle diagonally across the entire United States and it was just farmland for hours on end basically the whole way with some scattered small towns here and there. Theres a lot of it in this area too and you could move it from whatever peninsula you take to somewhere else.

Its a lot easier to move a farm than a town, your not really displacing anyone from their home. This is waterfront property on the Chesapeake Bay, great for a city, doesn't really matter that much for a farm. I think it would be a worthwhile trade off if they were serious about doing this. Like I said I just looked for 2 seconds and saw this on google earth theres a million other options and this is just one idea. It would be important to build on the ocean either on the eastern seaboard or out west, but its much more populated out west. This would tie in directly to the highways and train lines already running down the east coast. Nowhere did I say take all the farms in America and build cities on them lol. Theres plenty to go around, and if you want to stay in the area theres plenty of land to move to.
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

Build AMERICA CITY smack in the middle of a solidly-red state cornfield, with urban plans straight out of the Bible. A "libertarian" paradise governed by a strict evangelical moral code, with 24/7 gun shows in the Walmart parking lot. Recruit heavily from purple districts in swing states across the country (this is key). Surround AMERICA CITY with a beautiful wall to, um, keep out undesirables.

Profit.
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Old 04-05-2018, 01:50 PM   #12
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

This would be incredibly wasteful and it makes far more sense to adapt existing urban spaces rather than build a new one out of the blue for no reason. Of course you can't start from zero in the same way but the idea that you even should and that the formation of our lived spaces should happen that way is a problem in my eyes. It needs to be a dialectical process.
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:19 PM   #13
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Build AMERICA CITY smack in the middle of a solidly-red state cornfield, with urban plans straight out of the Bible. A "libertarian" paradise governed by a strict evangelical moral code, with 24/7 gun shows in the Walmart parking lot. Recruit heavily from purple districts in swing states across the country (this is key). Surround AMERICA CITY with a beautiful wall to, um, keep out undesirables.

Profit.
Everything has to be tall, like yuuge bigly tall. Also, free Porsches for the first fifty residents.
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Old 04-05-2018, 03:35 PM   #14
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Build AMERICA CITY smack in the middle of a solidly-red state cornfield, with urban plans straight out of the Bible. A "libertarian" paradise governed by a strict evangelical moral code, with 24/7 gun shows in the Walmart parking lot. Recruit heavily from purple districts in swing states across the country (this is key). Surround AMERICA CITY with a beautiful wall to, um, keep out undesirables.

Profit.
Nah, LEFTOPIA is a much better idea:
A magnificent unicorn airport staffed by gentle forest creatures;
A Jerry Brown train to absolutely-nowhere-at-all that runs on renewable progressive farts;
State of the art Higher Re-Education centers, er I mean colleges, staffed by gentle KGB creatures;
In the Red Square, er I mean the Town Square, could be a message board that continually updates all the deplorables responsible for Hillary's sad, sad defeat (the latest villains are Marvin the Martian and the Hamburglar!);
Think how beautiful the income-redistribution building, the Karl (M.) Kool-Aid Kafe, and the White Male Haus of Correction staffed by gentle Antifa creatures could be!
Oh, if only! LEFTOPIA!

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Nah, LEFTOPIA is a much better idea:
A magnificent unicorn airport staffed by gentle forest creatures;
A Jerry Brown train to absolutely-nowhere-at-all that runs on renewable progressive farts;
State of the art Higher Re-Education centers, er I mean colleges, staffed by gentle KGB creatures;
In the Red Square, er I mean the Town Square, could be a message board that continually updates all the deplorables responsible for Hillary's sad, sad defeat (the latest villains are Marvin the Martian and the Hamburglar!);
Think how beautiful the income-redistribution building, the Karl (M.) Kool-Aid Kafe, and the White Male Haus of Correction staffed by gentle Antifa creatures could be!
Oh, if only! LEFTOPIA!
Sorry, we already have all the best cities in the world. Try Moscow.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:52 PM   #16
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

Egypt is building a brand new masterplanned capital city between Cairo and the Red Sea. Theyre investing billions into a brand new city, called Capital Cairo with room to house 6.5 million people. The new presidential palace is going here, parliament, embassy buildings will go here, new business district, a central park, new metro system...etc. You see lots of western influence in the presidential palace, capital, obelisk. The govt is moving in next year. There is a growing trend all around the world of cities being built from scratch to meet modern standards. NYC is a planned city- not to the extent of here, but the grid, central park etc. Washington is probably the closest American example where it is masterplanned and the buildings are built specifically to the way they envisioned it. The American examples are more planned cities than masterplanned. Dubai Id say is somewhere in between and this is a true masterplanned city.

Capital Cairo












New Presidential Palace



New Egyptian Capital building




New Egyptian Parliament


The Octagon- Ministry of defense




New Airport


New Transit Terminal






New Government District


Largest Mosque in Middle East


Overview








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Largest Church in Middle East


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Old 02-20-2019, 08:41 PM   #17
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Re: New us masterplanned city.

I suggest a place like Newark DE or Havre de Grace MD that are literally on the Northeast Corridor but in areas still strangely empty.
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When LBJ was President, I remember a program that was floated by his administration to build completely new cities in the US. It obviously never happened, but I distinctly remember it being proposed. I was a young teenager at the time.
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Egypt is building a brand new masterplanned capital city between Cairo and the Nile.
There's... not a lot of room.
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There's... not a lot of room.
It's not between Cairo and the Nile. It's between Cairo and the Red Sea.

And I sure wouldn't strive to emulate corrupt, authoritarian regimes like Egypt, the Emirates, or China just to get a fantasy city.
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