archBOSTON.org

Go Back   archBOSTON.org > Boston's Built Environment > Transit and Infrastructure

Transit and Infrastructure All things T or civilly engineered within Boston Metro.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-12-2006, 05:21 PM   #1
pharmerdave
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brookline Ma
Posts: 77
Green Line Extension to Medford & Union Sq

The long awaited extension of the green line to Medford will begin in 2011.

Service to begin in December of 2014.

http://www.mass.gov/envir/mepa/pdffi...06em/13886.pdf
pharmerdave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 05:38 PM   #2
justin
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 434
It takes 8 freakin' years to lay track on an existing ROW???

jusitn
justin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 05:44 PM   #3
Ron Newman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Davis Square, Somerville, MA
Posts: 8,399
Send a message via AIM to Ron Newman
The real work is moving the existing Commuter Rail tracks out of the way, and possibly rebuilding some bridges. The junction between the two branches is going to be interesting, too.
Ron Newman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 05:53 PM   #4
awood91
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 211
Send a message via AIM to awood91
I'm wicked excited about this because i live in Winchester. ill be able to bike for 10 minutes, get to a T stop and go basically where ever i want! its gonna be awesome!!! (in 10 years of course)
awood91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 06:06 PM   #5
TheBostonian
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 347
I wonder if it will open one station at a time or all at once. And I look forward to Union and Ball Squares becoming hip.
TheBostonian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 06:22 PM   #6
jass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,084
And here I was thinking a 2011 OPENING would be late (after seeing the thread title).

However, someone please help me understand the project. based on what I understood, there will be two branches. The union square one will NOT use a tunnel? How is that possible?

And also, both branches will be trolleys? I remember trolleys to union and BRT to medford was being studied.

Any news on the platforms? Island or sides?



Also, what I think the MBTA needs to do to specify this branch is give it a new color. No F and G branch, instead, do something like Union Square-Heath Street = yellow line, and label it as such on the maps (and have yellow trains, or gold, or brown or w/e)
jass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 07:30 PM   #7
vanshnookenraggen
Moderator
 
vanshnookenraggen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City
Posts: 6,194
Quote:
Originally Posted by jass
Also, what I think the MBTA needs to do to specify this branch is give it a new color. No F and G branch, instead, do something like Union Square-Heath Street = yellow line, and label it as such on the maps (and have yellow trains, or gold, or brown or w/e)
Since this is an extention of the GREEN line changing color seems pretty dumb, no offence.

It will probably be something like D to West Medford and E to Union Sq.
Maybe even an A or F from Medford to Gov't Center.

And answering the no tunnel question, the branch to Union Sq will follow the Fitchburgh CR tracks so there is no need for a tunnel.

Quote:
And also, both branches will be trolleys? I remember trolleys to union and BRT to medford was being studied.
Many options were studied but both branches will be light rail. I think residents of Somerville would flip their shit if BRT was ever seriously considered.
__________________
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com | http://futurembta.com | http://hyperrealcartography.tumblr.com
brivx: well, my philosophy is: as designers, we make a good theater, we dont direct the play
vanshnookenraggen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 07:31 PM   #8
DowntownDave
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 252
Won't it just be "E" with a different terminus? Perhaps "F" for Union square branch?
DowntownDave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 08:43 PM   #9
jass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,084
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanshnookenraggen
Quote:
Originally Posted by jass
Also, what I think the MBTA needs to do to specify this branch is give it a new color. No F and G branch, instead, do something like Union Square-Heath Street = yellow line, and label it as such on the maps (and have yellow trains, or gold, or brown or w/e)
Since this is an extension of the GREEN line changing color seems pretty dumb, no offence.

It will probably be something like D to West Medford and E to Union Sq.
Maybe even an A or F from Medford to Gov't Center.
I dont see the MBTA wanting to run trains from Riverside to medford. Its more likely that D trains will terminate at Gvt Center, and Medford trains will terminate there as well.

Many other cities (like San Francisco) user color to differentiate lines, instead of letters (or both).

So I believe that:

B- Gvt-BC
C- North to CC
D- Gvt to Riverside
E- Heath to Union

Yellow - Medford to Gvt (Or Park)

The reason: People associate the letter branches with westbound trains. Having an F train go the other way = confusing.
jass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:14 PM   #10
vanshnookenraggen
Moderator
 
vanshnookenraggen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City
Posts: 6,194
Quote:
Originally Posted by jass
Many other cities (like San Francisco) user color to differentiate lines, instead of letters (or both).

The reason: People associate the letter branches with westbound trains. Having an F train go the other way = confusing.

The problem with that is we already have a color coded system so if you have 2 red lines it would be even more confusing.

I am willing to be that people only associate the letters with westbound trains because there is no service from the north (Lechmere, yes, but most people wouldn't think of Lechmere if you asked them about the Green Line).


Don't get me wrong, I do think that the Green Line needs a better system, and I do think that SF is a great example of how that would work. The only problem then is it wouldn't be the 'Green' Line.
__________________
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com | http://futurembta.com | http://hyperrealcartography.tumblr.com
brivx: well, my philosophy is: as designers, we make a good theater, we dont direct the play
vanshnookenraggen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:22 PM   #11
jass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,084
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanshnookenraggen
Quote:
Originally Posted by jass
Many other cities (like San Francisco) user color to differentiate lines, instead of letters (or both).

The reason: People associate the letter branches with westbound trains. Having an F train go the other way = confusing.

The problem with that is we already have a color coded system so if you have 2 red lines it would be even more confusing.

I am willing to be that people only associate the letters with westbound trains because there is no service from the north (Lechmere, yes, but most people wouldn't think of Lechmere if you asked them about the Green Line).


Don't get me wrong, I do think that the Green Line needs a better system, and I do think that SF is a great example of how that would work. The only problem then is it wouldn't be the 'Green' Line.
When did I say two red lines?

Im saying a totally new color. Yellow/aqua/brown whatever.

The only difference would be that the two colors share select stations, just like different branches share stations today.
jass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2006, 10:36 PM   #12
TheBostonian
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 347
I think the new color is a decent idea. DC has more than one "line" running on the same tracks. Look, for example, at their proposed Silver Line.

TheBostonian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2006, 12:45 AM   #13
vanshnookenraggen
Moderator
 
vanshnookenraggen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City
Posts: 6,194
Quote:
Originally Posted by jass

When did I say two red lines?

Im saying a totally new color. Yellow/aqua/brown whatever.

Indeed, sorry.
__________________
http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com | http://futurembta.com | http://hyperrealcartography.tumblr.com
brivx: well, my philosophy is: as designers, we make a good theater, we dont direct the play
vanshnookenraggen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2006, 10:01 AM   #14
Waldorf
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 536
Perhaps we can introduce a "One System, Two Lines" type of policy....like they do in China.
Waldorf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2006, 05:43 PM   #15
palindrome
Senior Member
 
palindrome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 2,189
so anyone have a map on how the new line will look?
palindrome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2006, 07:14 PM   #16
TheBostonian
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 347
TheBostonian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2006, 07:25 PM   #17
jass
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,084
Looking at that map, is it possible to extend the union square line further (say, 2120) or is there a wall in the way?


Also, the Washington DC map is exactly what I mean, although it would work better in Boston. The map posted is pretty confusing.

San Francisco is another example



My proposal would have the two colors sharing a line only for 5 stations though, Gvt, Hay, North, Science, Leachmere.

The reason I think the E branch would be ok to keep from heath to union is because it seperates itself at Copley, and follows a similar path as the b/c/d branches (in how a map looks).


The F branch for me would be something like the washington street line leaving Boylston.

I hope the MBTA doesnt screw up how they name the new branch/line
jass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-13-2006, 07:46 PM   #18
TheBostonian
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 347
Someone here pointed out some problems sending the Green Line through Porter, such as the narrow, below-grade right of way with an upcoming air rights development. But I think that would be a great connection. From there it could go to Waverly Square in Belmont along the Fitchburg line or along the bike trail after Alewife.
TheBostonian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2006, 01:59 PM   #19
Charlie_mta
Senior Member
 
Charlie_mta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,228
That's an interesting concept. As a variation, how about extending the proposed Union Sq. Green Line branch out to Porter Sq on the Fitchburg RR line, but then head southwesterly along the Watertown Branch railroad, going by Fresh Pond and the Arsenal Mall to Watertown Square, using the Watertown Branch railroad right-of-way.

This would almost be like the Urban Ring, but just a bit farther out.
Charlie_mta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2006, 02:40 PM   #20
lexicon506
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Berlin, Germany
Posts: 474
Yah, having a lettered branch going the opposite direction as the others is confusing. I think that all of the branches should have some trains going all the way to West Medford, and some terminating at North Station. So that way, if you're in Somerville, you have direct access to all of the green line and if you're at Copley you have a choice of taking the "West Medford" "Union Square" or "North Station" train to get where you want.

Even better though, would be to create a completely different line, as was mentioned before. This could take over the Lechmere and Science Park green line stops, and then share the N.Station-Boylston stops on a separate track. At Boylston it could break off and take over the Silver Line Washington St. and continue on to that huge swath of Dorchester that is currently unserviced. This would both relieve green line congestion in the downtown area, and improve/expand service. But alas, the MBTA will probably choose the worst option possible....
lexicon506 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Blue Line extension to Lynn PaulC Transit and Infrastructure 264 12-05-2018 12:51 PM
"We want a Blue Line extension to Lynn-Salem" BostonUrbEx Boston Architecture/Urbanism Related Events 0 12-05-2012 12:20 PM
Green Line extension Newton to Needham choo Transit and Infrastructure 12 10-10-2012 11:07 AM
Mock Green Line Extension Groundbreaking! BostonUrbEx Boston Architecture/Urbanism Related Events 12 10-21-2011 04:15 PM
Fitchburg Line Extension pharmerdave Transit and Infrastructure 61 12-20-2010 05:43 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.