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Old 12-20-2014, 01:29 PM   #2041
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Virgin Atlantic is about to soon start, or has started, non-stop service from LHR (London Heathrow) to Boston - using its newly acquired Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner that it has received sometime in October.

It is the first of about 16 or so of the variant that the carrier has on order from Boeing.


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-10-...7-9-Dreamliner
I worked on that one, actually I've worked on all 787's from line 120 or so and up. I'm thinking the -9 will be the marque 787, and they are selling like hot cakes, now pretty much half of the one's being built are -9's. The -10's will also be popular but the -9 apparently has a longer range. I love that Boston is often a place these birds go!
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Old 12-23-2014, 05:55 PM   #2042
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Southwest-wise that seems to be the case.

Manchester is getting the weekly seasonal Vegas (not flown by Southwest at Logan which I find interesting)
No competition compared to fighting at Logan with Delta and JetBlue on this route?
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Old 12-23-2014, 06:22 PM   #2043
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I worked on that one, actually I've worked on all 787's from line 120 or so and up. I'm thinking the -9 will be the marque 787, and they are selling like hot cakes, now pretty much half of the one's being built are -9's. The -10's will also be popular but the -9 apparently has a longer range. I love that Boston is often a place these birds go!


So far, and with all three variants of the 787 Dreamliner combined on order, the order book has swelled up to about close to 1,000 or more examples of the highly-sought-after fuel-efficient lighter-weight jetliner.

The 787-10 Dreamliner is now in production, with the first one expected to come off the production / assembly line possibly during the first or 2nd quarter of next year. Among the carriers that have it on order, United Airlines is one of them - having placed an order for about 25 of them.

It will be one of the first carriers that will have all three variants of the immensely popular jetliner in use at the same time.

It already has both the -8 & -9 in use. It has began service with the -9 not too long ago

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Old 12-23-2014, 10:14 PM   #2044
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Going out on a limb based on fairly serious rumour of Samsung and Kendall / Innovation District

Samsung is known to be searching for the right location in Cambridge / Boston to site a major facility -- this would be strongly enhanced with non-stop service to South Korea

So perhaps one of the first Baker announcements -- Samsung and Korean Air
Sounds like a good fit. Korean Air has an impressive and rapid-expanding network in Seoul, along with a strong brand and product; South Korea and Seoul is a leading, 21st century economy with big brands making their mark around the world. Makes a lot of sense.



On the Tel Aviv front, any specific companies that will be a big flyer on the El Aviv route? Any chance this could do daily in the long-term future?
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:41 AM   #2045
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Sounds like a good fit. Korean Air has an impressive and rapid-expanding network in Seoul, along with a strong brand and product; South Korea and Seoul is a leading, 21st century economy with big brands making their mark around the world. Makes a lot of sense.



On the Tel Aviv front, any specific companies that will be a big flyer on the El Aviv route? Any chance this could do daily in the long-term future?
Korean Air would be a great Holiday present for Logan but probably for 2016 perhaps. Its inevitable if this Samsung rumor becomes true.

EMC is probably the most well-known company with a large presence in both Massachusetts and Israel. As always, higher education and medical fields will factor in as well.

El Al has stated that they want to go to higher frequencies (they do not fly on the sabbath so you will not see daily) ASAP but plane availability is key for them. They only have 13 aircraft that can reach USA, six 763, six 772 and one 747 with only a handful of 737's on order. I believe they will use 763's that are freed up from putting 738/9's on their European routes.
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Old 12-25-2014, 01:59 PM   #2046
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Great read.

Results talk. Governor Patrick did a amazingly effective job in competing for these 17 direct international routes:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...aUM/story.html
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Old 12-26-2014, 06:40 PM   #2047
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Gonna be sad to see him leave office next month!!!
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Old 12-26-2014, 09:45 PM   #2048
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Korean Air would be a great Holiday present for Logan but probably for 2016 perhaps. Its inevitable if this Samsung rumor becomes true.

EMC is probably the most well-known company with a large presence in both Massachusetts and Israel. As always, higher education and medical fields will factor in as well.

El Al has stated that they want to go to higher frequencies (they do not fly on the sabbath so you will not see daily) ASAP but plane availability is key for them. They only have 13 aircraft that can reach USA, six 763, six 772 and one 747 with only a handful of 737's on order. I believe they will use 763's that are freed up from putting 738/9's on their European routes.
1) I agree on Korean. I think they have 787s on order coming in 2016 or 2017.

2) The tech scene in Israel is second behind Silicon Valley. This will be a huge connection, especially as Boston's is roaring as well.

Will there be special check-in/screening/security boarding and deplaning procedures with El Al at Boston?

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Old 12-29-2014, 10:43 PM   #2049
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Great read.

Results talk. Governor Patrick did a amazingly effective job in competing for these 17 direct international routes:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/...aUM/story.html
Shmess -- by his own admission -- as usual -- it was $ that sealed the deal
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“Massport is in the top 1 percent in how they prepare the case and how they know the market, which helps us tremendously in the startup of a new route,” said Anko van der Werff, chief revenue officer of Aeromexico. “It’s a massive investment for us. They’re unique to give that confidence.”

Local business leaders often meet with airline executives and pledge to patronize the route, which is important to airlines because business class seats make more money than tickets for the economy cabin.....

Patrick said incentives end up closing the deal. It’s a common practice for Logan and other airports to waive landing fees for the first year and promote flights in the local market. Since 2012, Massport has pledged $8.2 million to eight airlines under its incentives program.

One last factor: the advent of the 787 Dreamliner. The fuel-efficient jet, which carries a maximum of about 325 passengers, was just the right size to make many direct international flights from Logan profitable. Glynn said Japan Airlines Co. put Logan on the map when it started flying the plane between Tokyo and Boston in 2012, despite the aircraft’s initial safety problems.

Patrick said the collaboration between government and business to land new direct international flights has been successful because it’s a common practice in the much of the world.

“Government is a part of the sales team,” he said of other countries. “And in some places, it takes government to open the doors in the first place.”
I give Patrick a positive mark for being a good salesman -- unfortunately, when it came to the more important roles of a Governor -- he fell flat on his face
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Old 12-30-2014, 11:09 AM   #2050
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Shmess -- by his own admission -- as usual -- it was $ that sealed the deal


I give Patrick a positive mark for being a good salesman -- unfortunately, when it came to the more important roles of a Governor -- he fell flat on his face
Emirates and Turkish would have come eventually.

The real laugh-er is the Dublin flights. The reason there were no Dublin flights was the archaic Shannon Stopover rule that Ireland wisely kicked to the curb.

Also JetBlue needs a bit of credit here. They studied passenger flows and found it prudent to launch seasonal Liberia-Guanacaste, St. Lucia, Puerto Plata, and increase St. Maarten, Punta Cana, and Provo-Turks and Caicos. The only Caribbean destination launched concurrently with JFK was Grand Cayman which had been previously served by US Airways and Cayman Airways.
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Old 12-30-2014, 06:17 PM   #2051
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Emirates and Turkish would have come eventually.

The real laugh-er is the Dublin flights. The reason there were no Dublin flights was the archaic Shannon Stopover rule that Ireland wisely kicked to the curb.

Also JetBlue needs a bit of credit here. They studied passenger flows and found it prudent to launch seasonal Liberia-Guanacaste, St. Lucia, Puerto Plata, and increase St. Maarten, Punta Cana, and Provo-Turks and Caicos. The only Caribbean destination launched concurrently with JFK was Grand Cayman which had been previously served by US Airways and Cayman Airways.
Yep. I think JetBlue also was a big draw for Emirates as well, being able to being connect into their hub here.

Any possibility of new non-stop flights to South America?
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Old 12-30-2014, 06:47 PM   #2052
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I am going to guess that more than 50% of the passengers on the Dubai flights start and end in Boston, but having JetBlue be able to feed in some passengers certainly helps.

Emirates has probably killed any chance of Boston getting a non-stop to India, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Old 12-31-2014, 01:36 PM   #2053
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I am going to guess that more than 50% of the passengers on the Dubai flights start and end in Boston, but having JetBlue be able to feed in some passengers certainly helps.

Emirates has probably killed any chance of Boston getting a non-stop to India, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Mass -- India's alternative carriers are rapidly growing as are the number of modern international terminals

I think there's a very good chance of Boston - Bangaluru or Boston - Hyderabad in the relatively near future

Remember that for all its obvious extreme poverty in both rural and urban areas, that India has a middle class of comparable size as the US' with a highly entrepreneurial and technologically sophisticated well educated, english speaking population -- ideal for a BOS flight
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Old 12-31-2014, 01:52 PM   #2054
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I think there's a very good chance of Boston - Bangaluru or Boston - Hyderabad in the relatively near future
Umm, no.
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Old 12-31-2014, 02:17 PM   #2055
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I think there's a very good chance of Boston - Bangaluru or Boston - Hyderabad in the relatively near future
Bangalore and Hyderabad have a grand total of ZERO direct flights to the United States. If they ever get one, it won't be Boston.

Mumbai and Delhi are the only Indian cities that are potential candidates for nonstop routes from Logan.
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Old 12-31-2014, 02:43 PM   #2056
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I am going to guess that more than 50% of the passengers on the Dubai flights start and end in Boston, but having JetBlue be able to feed in some passengers certainly helps.

Emirates has probably killed any chance of Boston getting a non-stop to India, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
No arguments with you on the Boston feed.

I don't think non-stop flights to India is a big deal anymore with all of the options now available to connect through, right?
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No arguments with you on the Boston feed.

I don't think non-stop flights to India is a big deal anymore with all of the options now available to connect through, right?
I am going to assume Emirates has come in and stolen a lot of traffic from British Airways, KLM/Delta, Air France and Lufthansa. Emirates has a larger network to India than the 4 big European carriers and connecting through Dubai does not add that mush extra onto the total trip, less than 300 miles I believe than connecting through Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.

While this is not a statement on the entire market, I have several Indian friends who were very excited Emirates began service to Boston and all of them now use it to go home and their relatives use it when they come to visit, where a lot of them used to fly with Lufthansa and British Airways.
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I am going to assume Emirates has come in and stolen a lot of traffic from British Airways, KLM/Delta, Air France and Lufthansa. Emirates has a larger network to India than the 4 big European carriers and connecting through Dubai does not add that mush extra onto the total trip, less than 300 miles I believe than connecting through Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.

While this is not a statement on the entire market, I have several Indian friends who were very excited Emirates began service to Boston and all of them now use it to go home and their relatives use it when they come to visit, where a lot of them used to fly with Lufthansa and British Airways.
How much does Turkish compete on the North America/Boston-India traffic?

Is there also a rumor of Qatar coming?
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Bangalore and Hyderabad have a grand total of ZERO direct flights to the United States. If they ever get one, it won't be Boston.

Mumbai and Delhi are the only Indian cities that are potential candidates for nonstop routes from Logan.
Lexicon -- today perhaps

Those two cities in India are rapidly developing into international destinations

They have very modern international airports and are developing significant non- Air India operations

I give it 5 years before we see a new or one of the rapidly growing carriers beginning service to the US -- and I would put BOS on or near the top of the list due to similar community profiles
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I am going to assume Emirates has come in and stolen a lot of traffic from British Airways, KLM/Delta, Air France and Lufthansa. Emirates has a larger network to India than the 4 big European carriers and connecting through Dubai does not add that mush extra onto the total trip, less than 300 miles I believe than connecting through Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and London.
There's a good chance it has stimulated growth. Going to Delhi via DXB actually adds almost 1200 miles round trip but it goes down the more southernly your India destination is.

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How much does Turkish compete on the North America/Boston-India traffic?
Turkish only flies to BOM and DEL: the two biggest markets. Schedule wise - you have longer layovers going through Istanbul as well.

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Is there also a rumor of Qatar coming?
There's always been talk of it especially publicly but Qatar's Americas strategy changed upon entering One World as "Our next US destinations will be Atlanta, Boston, Detroit" became "We are flying to Philadelphia, Miami, and Dallas."

I wouldn't rule out Etihad as well especially with 789's entering their fleet.

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Lexicon -- today perhaps
Those two cities in India are rapidly developing into international destinations
Its #1 Delhi (better connecting point), #2 Mumbai or bust for a Boston-India flight. I wouldn't be surprised if it came about within the next 5-7 years if either Jet Airways (preferred) or Air India straightens itself out. There are no other Indian carriers who fly longhaul.

Air India is a also pain to deal with - just ask Boeing. I wouldn't be surprised if they were bargaining for 4 years of abated landing fees.
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