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Old Yesterday, 12:02 PM   #2021
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Re: Assembly Row (Assembly Sq Redevelopment) | Assembly Square | Somerville

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Dare we say, then, that the only way we'd get there is with a society that distributes ownership, rather than concentrates it?
No doubt, but as I said, it's not happening in our lifetime. (Sorry, I've been feeling a bit pessimistic lately)
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Old Yesterday, 12:06 PM   #2022
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No doubt, but as I said, it's not happening in our lifetime. (Sorry, I've been feeling a bit pessimistic lately)
I don't disagree. The point is that we basically already know the answer as to why things are the way they are design-wise, if we stop to think about it. We could have saved the past couple dozen posts.

(then again, I don't purport efficiency should necessarily be the top goal of aB. Though some would no doubt prefer it ; ) ).
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Old Yesterday, 12:12 PM   #2023
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To be fair, those with a more hopeful outlook on things may wish to dream of and perhaps work towards a better future, so these discussions may be helpful towards that end. (You need to identify the root of the problem before fixing it, etc)
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To be fair, those with a more hopeful outlook on things may wish to dream of and perhaps work towards a better future, so these discussions may be helpful towards that end. (You need to identify the root of the problem before fixing it, etc)
That was the point of my parenthetical ; )

Discussions that drill down to the fundamental underlying mechanisms of society, while entirely exhausting and a step or two removed from "architecture," can actually help the more inspired among us figure out how to move things forward...

There are a few of such on this board, no doubt.
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Discussions that drill down to the fundamental underlying mechanisms of society, while entirely exhausting and a step or two removed from "architecture," can actually help the more inspired among us figure out how to move things forward...
I'm buying you a beer at the next meet-up.

Full disclosure: my neighbors and I are looking down the barrel of the redevelopment of Suffolk Downs. A lot of people believe that the "success" of Assembly Row and Legacy Place are templates for success in East Boston and Revere (and this isn't necessarily the developer's [current] position). I'm in the camp that wants to see something far better.
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I get people having differing opinions on architecture; I completely understand not liking the fake-looking brick facades. I get the criticisms of too many outlet shops, or that the development is an urban island separated from the rest of the city.

But for the love of God, I don't get the cultural critique of people who enjoy things you don't enjoy; the verbose dressing down of people who just want to play an inconsequential game on a Saturday night while enjoying a good beer that they probably paid too much for. If that's not your scene, fine, but you come off more than a bit pretentious. I don't go to the Moose and complain about the music selection and lack of Shuffleboard. The Moose is not my cup of tea but it's a great organisation that lots of people really enjoy, and I'm not about to trash the people there and act like my lifestyle is superior to theirs simply because their idea of a fun night out is different from mine. Come on down from that high horse.
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What this area needs badly on the weekends is some traffic cops, lights and stop signs concerning the main street between Assembly Square mall building to Assembly Condo developments retail stores.
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Old Yesterday, 01:28 PM   #2028
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I get people having differing opinions on architecture; I completely understand not liking the fake-looking brick facades. I get the criticisms of too many outlet shops, or that the development is an urban island separated from the rest of the city.

But for the love of God, I don't get the cultural critique of people who enjoy things you don't enjoy; the verbose dressing down of people who just want to play an inconsequential game on a Saturday night while enjoying a good beer that they probably paid too much for. If that's not your scene, fine, but you come off more than a bit pretentious. I don't go to the Moose and complain about the music selection and lack of Shuffleboard. The Moose is not my cup of tea but it's a great organisation that lots of people really enjoy, and I'm not about to trash the people there and act like my lifestyle is superior to theirs simply because their idea of a fun night out is different from mine. Come on down from that high horse.
One of our age's biggest paradoxes, and perhaps the one that divides people more than anything else, is that these critiques of society actually aren't critiques of individual people.
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One of our age's biggest paradoxes, and perhaps the one that divides people more than anything else, is that these critiques of society actually aren't critiques of individual people.
I'm not sure how you can separate individuals from the societal critique with the statement: "a bunch of effete, moneyed, 20-something Brooklyn transplants have the time and energy to piss away an evening playing shuffleboard ironically..." I mean, the critique there wasn't ambiguous. It isn't critiquing society, he's just being insulting to a group that he doesn't identify with, nor does he seem to understand. Ya I like to play shuffleboard "ironically"... not because it's just a fun game to play with friends while having a beer. What a load of horse shit.
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I'm not sure how you can separate individuals from the societal critique with the statement: "a bunch of effete, moneyed, 20-something Brooklyn transplants have the time and energy to piss away an evening playing shuffleboard ironically..." I mean, the critique there wasn't ambiguous. It isn't critiquing society, he's just being insulting to a group that he doesn't identify with, nor does he seem to understand. Ya I like to play shuffleboard "ironically"... not because it's just a fun game to play with friends. What a load of horse shit.
Well, I'll let BB defend himself on that one (though I agree with him on a lot of things)...otherwise I'll point out:

* People who despise bureaucracies create bureaucracies
* Psychology and sociology exist as separate fields
* Systemic racism doesn't mean Joe Schmoe is a racist as an individual

The sum of our parts as a society produces things that no one individual aspires to produce...all the time...

And on a more personal note: I, personally, can enjoy bowling in a shitty, mass-produced, chain bowling facility whilst simultaneously missing Sacco's in somerville and despising the facility I am bowling in.

Embracing the human condition is to embrace that we still find a way to enjoy life, love, live, etc., whilst being harsh critics of our society. And doing so will produce a better society.
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Re: Assembly Row (Assembly Sq Redevelopment) | Assembly Square | Somerville

Isn't it fun to be arguing about something new for a change?

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Well, I'll let BB defend himself on that one...
I can't do better than this:

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Embracing the human condition is to embrace that we still find a way to enjoy life, love, live, etc., whilst being harsh critics of our society. And doing so will produce a better society.
So thank you.

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And on a more personal note: I, personally, can enjoy bowling in a shitty, mass-produced, chain bowling facility whilst simultaneously missing Sacco's in somerville and despising the facility I am bowling in.
Pretty much how I feel sitting at the Eastern Standard bar, missing The Rat, Planet Records, the IHoP, and the rest of Kenmore Square. They do pour a proper cocktail, and the food's pretty good.
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Pretty much how I feel sitting at the Eastern Standard bar, missing The Rat, Planet Records, the IHoP, and the rest of Kenmore Square. They do pour a proper cocktail, and the food's pretty good.
Beton, where the hell do you find the time and energy to piss away an evening drinking at the Eastern Standard with the rest of the old goat moneyed elites, reminiscing about those Glory Days of the past! Having said that, mind if I join you one of these days when I'm in town, I've always wanted to stop in the Eastern Standard and have a drink or two at the bar.
I have a feeling you'd make for interesting company!
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Beton, where the hell do you find the time and energy to piss away an evening drinking at the Eastern Standard with the rest of the old goat moneyed elites, reminiscing about those Glory Days of the past! Having said that, mind if I join you one of these days when I'm in town, I've always wanted to stop in the Eastern Standard and have a drink or two at the bar.
I have a feeling you'd make for interesting company!
Would be an interesting discussion indeed. I really like that place, despite myself. The lighting and layout is just enough to pull off that “oyster bar in grand central” vibe just enough... and the drinks are great. I could never get over the drop ceiling tiles, though. They bug me every time.

Tunnel Bar in Northampton hits all those buttons, too, if you’re ever in the area. It’s just about the perfect place for 5pm (or 1am) on a Saturday in the summer.
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