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Old 11-15-2017, 10:50 AM   #41
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I agree entirely! I worked on the new Johnson and Wales building and we ended up using rated curtain wall in A LOT of places. The stairs came out awesome!

If i remember correctly though, technically you only need curtain rated glass if it is within 15'-0" of another glazing system (curtain wall/window, etc.), which in all reality is always the case, otherwise you end up with a dreaded blank wall (ie Province street which is a party wall, i know).
I don't understand what this means. Can you re-explain for me why 45 Province had to have a blank wall and other buildings can have glass. Thanks.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:54 AM   #42
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If i remember correctly though, technically you only need curtain rated glass if it is within 15'-0" of another glazing system (curtain wall/window, etc.), which in all reality is always the case, otherwise you end up with a dreaded blank wall (ie Province street which is a party wall, i know).
Don't wanna start a huge tangent but the Province St blank wall is not a party wall. It fronts Chapman Place, and the blank portion is flanked on both sides by windows and balconies.
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Old 11-15-2017, 01:12 PM   #43
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I don't understand what this means. Can you re-explain for me why 45 Province had to have a blank wall and other buildings can have glass. Thanks.
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Don't wanna start a huge tangent but the Province St blank wall is not a party wall. It fronts Chapman Place, and the blank portion is flanked on both sides by windows and balconies.
My bad, I shouldn't have used that reference. I really just wanted to give the impression of a blank wall, and I know how the aB forum has expressed their love for that wall over time.

My original point was to say that you don't always need fire rated curtain wall, as long as there is a certain distance between the stair curtain wall and any other punched opening in the exterior wall.
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Old 01-25-2018, 04:17 PM   #44
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SoilGeo drilling crew on site.

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Old 05-01-2018, 04:34 PM   #45
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Groundbreaking was today, May 1.
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Old 05-01-2018, 04:51 PM   #46
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love the setbacks. the materials, not so much.

could just be the low quality/low res render, though. here's hoping.
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Old 05-01-2018, 05:25 PM   #47
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I absolutely love the massing, but the materials look uh...not so hot.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:00 PM   #48
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I miss the exposed stairs but I didn't like the dark grey on the other one.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:22 PM   #49
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Since itís a Hampton Inn, Iím going to assume that, at best, itíll have a similar building quality to that of The Element and Aloft hotels nearby on D Street. If it does, it wouldnít be completely unfortunate.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:29 AM   #50
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Looks like a kid bought the Waterside Place lego kit and assembled it wrong.
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Old 05-02-2018, 06:02 AM   #51
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For 2016-17, average development cost per room of extended stay upscale hotel was $191,000. Average cost per room for dual branded hotels was $209,000. This hotel has 400 rooms. $200,000 x 400 = $80 million. The project cost estimate is $176 million. This suggests, but does not guarantee, that the materials will not be cheap.

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Old 05-02-2018, 06:32 AM   #52
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For 2016-17, average development cost per room of extended stay upscale hotel was $191,000. Average cost per room for dual branded hotels was $209,000. This hotel has 400 rooms. $200,000 x 400 = $80 million. The project cost estimate is $176 million. This suggests, but does not guarantee, that the materials will not be cheap.

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https://www.hvs.com/article/8130-us-...-survey-201617
I'm afraid that doesn't account for the high cost of union construction work here in Boston (The Envoy, Seaport ended up costing $500K per room), I think we're going to get something mediocre, hope I'm wrong!
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Old 05-02-2018, 07:18 AM   #53
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For 2016-17, average development cost per room of extended stay upscale hotel was $191,000. Average cost per room for dual branded hotels was $209,000. This hotel has 400 rooms. $200,000 x 400 = $80 million. The project cost estimate is $176 million. This suggests, but does not guarantee, that the materials will not be cheap.

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https://www.hvs.com/article/8130-us-...-survey-201617
These costs assume you have a clean, flat site with no need to build structured parking or use union labor. Hard costs on this are $450K/room minimum, replacement cost is probably somewhere around $550K/room including land and everything else.

Just for reference, the Residence Inn on Congress Street is currently being marketed for $700K/room. The Envoy sold for like $830K/room in 2016.
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Old 05-02-2018, 08:35 AM   #54
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Re: Marine Wharf (Hampton Inn and Homewood Suites) | 660 Summer St | Seaport

Squint your eyes and it looks a bit like the Age 3-7 Lego-kit version of this.
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Old 06-09-2018, 08:00 AM   #55
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New signs on the site.



Also some strange (to me) markings on the side walk. It looks like the foundation of the project extends up to the street (????). Could this be true?

word FOUNDATION written in this space

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Old 09-01-2018, 07:25 PM   #56
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Looks like they are about to start serious site prep. We have jersey barriers up along Summer Street, a new fence is up around the site and the trees have been removed.





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Old 09-02-2018, 10:24 AM   #57
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This has to be the most interesting Hampton Inn / Homewood Suites design I have ever seen.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:13 PM   #58
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New signs on the site.



Also some strange (to me) markings on the side walk. It looks like the foundation of the project extends up to the street (????). Could this be true?

word FOUNDATION written in this space

Hmm well that render is new.
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Old 09-02-2018, 06:15 PM   #59
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That's some Godforsaken country.....

The architectural significance of JANET Air's northwest terminal in the Kingdom of Nye.

Back in the day, Tony Lavier might have put a hanger here, parked his F-104 inside,

and no one been the wiser.

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Old 09-04-2018, 09:16 AM   #60
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I like it. Theyll have good views of the cruise ships
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