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Rutherford Avenue to go on a diet!
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That's great news!
I don't know if could work, but it would be great if a downsized Rutherford could accommodate a Green Line Branch. Unseal the Canal St portal, street run trolleys to the Charlestown Bridge - when rebuilt, allow for tracks. Street run by City Square to Rutherford up to Sullivan. Hell you could then run it along the old RoW that goes to the cargo site, elevate it over Terminal Rd and under the Rt 1 elevated back to City Square in a Charlestown Loop to hit the new Spaulding and the Navy Yard. Maybe connect it to a future Greenway trolley. Meh. Dreams... |
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Re: Rutherford Avenue to go on a diet!
Rezone the surrounding area to create an urban street wall along the length.
Oh wait, this is the BRA, a suburban artery with "green space" is good enough.
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It's a parking lot, built to be able to be re-opened.
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Re: Rutherford Avenue to go on a diet!
but once the parking lot is developed, will that still be possible?
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Now if the Green Line goes into Charlestown, then that's expanding service. |
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I'm interpreting Busses as going straight down Rutherford Ave rather than into Charlestown. As he said, "run down Rutherford up to Sullivan". So that's going straight down the median of Rutherford the OL stations only 300 ft at BHCC Station and 700 ft at Sullivan Station (as measured on Google Maps).
My last line is if the Green Line turns right at Rutherford (turn right at Austin St?) and into Charlestown (I think there's a misunderstanding by the word - when I say Charlestown, I don't include Rutherford and points west of it and points east is "Charlestown") Edit: Since I'm map-py with paint today: Redundant: ![]() Useful? ![]() Edit 2: Any chance in some future renovation that Tobin have space to take the Green Line over to Chelsea? |
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Boylston St in the Fenway Part II, please!
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My thoughts were a ring around Charlestown. Which, given the neighborhood's size would make most of the residents within 10 minute walk of a station. I'd love to see a street runner down Main Street instead but that won't happen. Tunnels are not going to happen under the hills either. A light rail complement to the OL on Charlestown's west side that continues (as I said) around the north/eastern side and back to city square along the waterfront isn't just redundant with the OJ, it's a dedicated Charlestown Loop. I only suggested using Rutherford because of it's massive footprint. I'd probably rather a dead-end stub going the other way out of City Square to the Navy Yard and swinging northwest to Sullivan; the downsizing of Rutherford, however, presented an opportunity for some infill service on that corridor via light rail.
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This is definitely the build if real LRT Urban Ring ever happens. But don't forget...until 1955 there were 2 branches to Sullivan off North Station taking opposite flanks. Sullivan's a big enough bus terminal that there's adequate demand for a one-seat from Green-originating destinations. As for Charlestown, if there's a place where a transit line might be merited it would be an extension off a would-be Greenway trolley, over the Charlestown Bridge, and serving City Sq. and the Navy Yard. It wouldn't need to go anywhere near Rutherford because Community College serves Bunker Hill CC and Thompson Sq. very well, and a little bit of improved ped access from Sullivan to the other side of the square would keep Main St. fully covered between Thompson and Sullivan. The bus coverage to Bunker Hill St. and the middle of Charlestown is good already and wouldn't need streetcar augmentation. Especially if Sullivan were to become a superstation where the bus transfer can get you from Green or Orange to any destination on Bunker Hill in 10 minutes flat. Really, I'm not even sure the trolley leg off the Greenway to the Navy Yard is truly needed from a purely transit perspective if you do the superstation and increase the bus frequencies. Such a Navy Yard build would be driven a bit more by tourism and commercial interests, with City Hall and the BRA pushing it. |
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The Navy Yard already has the ferry to Long Wharf and the 93 bus. Both work well. Capacity isn't an issue. A Green Line trolly gets you a one seat ride to Copley, but not really much else. In terms of it catalyzing more Navy Yard development, where else are you going to build? The lot at 1st and 9th is already about to start and Spaulding's already up and running out at the end. I guess you could go up, but you could build 1000+ new units in the Rutherford Ave corridor before there would be a pressing need for it.
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Agreed completely. Sounds like a waste of 50 feet, and an unnecessary prevention of a more urban feel.
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Re: Rutherford Avenue to go on a diet!
Sounds like Melnea Cass part 2.
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They are going for Southwest Corridor feel, but with less of an auto-oriented roadway.
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At least put a big cycle track in the space so its quick and easy to get from sullivan sq to north end/downtown by bike. Would also serve east somerville.
I mean, if we are going to squander 50 feet of potential infill, lets squander it right. |
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This is unfortunate: I thought the plan was essentially set, but Capuano makes it sound like it might not happen.
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