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Old 05-11-2018, 11:21 AM   #141
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It's the hazy summer nights that you, your parents, their parents, spent at Fenway. It's your signpost when drunk wandering the Kenmore area after the clubs closed. It's a rare bit of color on an otherwise austere night skyline, reflecting in all directions on the Charles. .
Sure but you can do that with any other sign.

No one is going to cry if it gets replaced with the red sox logo.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:26 AM   #142
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Maybe they should asks the residents of the neighborhood what they think instead of catering to suburbanites who come into the city once per year to watch a baseball game.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:42 AM   #143
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Maybe they should asks the residents of the neighborhood what they think instead of catering to suburbanites who come into the city once per year to watch a baseball game.
As I said above, because of BUís being allowed to buy up everything on bay state road, there ARE no neighbors to protest this. I not only think something should be done immediately to put a stop to any further land purchases by any local educational institutions, but I also think there should be a campaign by the city to take back private ownership of what these schools have bought.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:54 AM   #144
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The corner building should have a facadectomy. Then the office building should go about twice as tall, around 15 floors instead of 8. Plop the sign on top of the new building and call it a day.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:58 AM   #145
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As I said above, because of BUís being allowed to buy up everything on bay state road, there ARE no neighbors to protest this. I not only think something should be done immediately to put a stop to any further land purchases by any local educational institutions, but I also think there should be a campaign by the city to take back private ownership of what these schools have bought.
Very true and a good point, but I wasn't referring just to the immediate vicinity of the sign. There are plenty of people who live in Audubon Circle, Fenway and Western Back Bay (probably parts of Cambridge, too) that have to see the garish sign every day.
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:34 PM   #146
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I hope everyone who possibly can goes against this abomination
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:39 PM   #147
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The corner building should have a facadectomy. Then the office building should go about twice as tall, around 15 floors instead of 8. Plop the sign on top of the new building and call it a day.
This is the correct answer.
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:45 PM   #148
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This is the correct answer.
Yes, this is indeed the correct answer. I would just add that we retain the style/shape/color palette of the sign (nostalgia, yada yada) but have it say something other than "citgo"...especially since it would now be even more in everyone's face at further-reaching neighborhoods. How about just "Boston" with a red pair of sox where the triangle is.

And by taking this opportunity to move the sign, it will free up other developmental opportunities around fenway park to build things deservingly large/dense as parcels allow...such as here...because the sign would no longer be blocked.

#unblocktheblink
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Old 05-11-2018, 01:07 PM   #149
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Please tell me this PoS wasn't approved.
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Old 05-11-2018, 04:10 PM   #150
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Yes, this is indeed the correct answer. I would just add that we retain the style/shape/color palette of the sign (nostalgia, yada yada) but have it say something other than "citgo"...especially since it would now be even more in everyone's face at further-reaching neighborhoods. How about just "Boston" with a red pair of sox where the triangle is.

And by taking this opportunity to move the sign, it will free up other developmental opportunities around fenway park to build things deservingly large/dense as parcels allow...such as here...because the sign would no longer be blocked.

#unblocktheblink
Couldn't agree more, especially since this Citgo Corp is not your parent's Citgo Corp.
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Old 05-12-2018, 04:00 AM   #151
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As I said above, because of BUís being allowed to buy up everything on bay state road, there ARE no neighbors to protest this.
Calm down, BU doesn't even own 1/2 of the land between Deerfield and Charlesgate. There are plenty of non-BU residents in the area.

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I not only think something should be done immediately to put a stop to any further land purchases by any local educational institutions, but I also think there should be a campaign by the city to take back private ownership of what these schools have bought.
Because currently there aren't any restrictions on what land the educational institutions cam buy and private developers will always put their land to a better use.

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Old 05-12-2018, 11:17 AM   #152
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So, keep "a" neon sign there. It doesn't need to be a Citgo ad.
In fact, it shouldn't be the Citgo sign. Do a facadectomy at this location, allow a taller building (since we won't have to worry about blocking the sign, either) to recoup the costs, and replace the sign with a new one on the new building which maybe has some actual relation to the city other than simply existing.
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:37 PM   #153
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Calm down, BU doesn't even own 1/2 of the land between Deerfield and Charlesgate. There are plenty of non-BU residents in the area.



Because currently there aren't any restrictions on what land the educational institutions cam buy and private developers will always put their land to a better use.
Dude, BU has ruined Bay State Rd. Iím well aware of private ownership because my friendís late great aunt was one of the last owners there. Amazing place. BUT - just go to Bay State Rd and walk down the street and tell me your impression of whether it screams academic row or private, residential street. In case thereís any difficultly here, let me help you: thereís BU signs on almost every building. The remainder of the non-signed buildings are mostly owned by BU as well, for weird lease relationships for their employees (another of my friends whoís worked for them for years lives in this situation). Case closed.

Edit - just in case thereís any remaining ambiguity here, just look at the link https://www.cityofboston.gov/assessi...Bay+state+road

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Old 05-13-2018, 08:25 AM   #154
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For me, this is the best way to understand BU's holdings on Bay State

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Old 05-13-2018, 10:16 AM   #155
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Dude, BU has ruined Bay State Rd. Iím well aware of private ownership because my friendís late great aunt was one of the last owners there. Amazing place. BUT - just go to Bay State Rd and walk down the street and tell me your impression of whether it screams academic row or private, residential street. In case thereís any difficultly here, let me help you: thereís BU signs on almost every building. The remainder of the non-signed buildings are mostly owned by BU as well, for weird lease relationships for their employees (another of my friends whoís worked for them for years lives in this situation). Case closed.

Edit - just in case thereís any remaining ambiguity here, just look at the link https://www.cityofboston.gov/assessi...Bay+state+road
Even if it was true that BU owned practically all of BSR, which is not true as there's dozens of buildings they don't own, my points would still stand that less than half of Kenmore between deerfield and charlesgate is owned by BU and that there's plenty of non-BU residents in the area.
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Old 05-13-2018, 10:31 AM   #156
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For me, this is the best way to understand BU's holdings on Bay State

BU sold off its 50% ownership in the Hotel Commonwealth a few years ago.
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Old 05-13-2018, 11:37 AM   #157
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:43 PM   #158
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One of the things that would help this entire area is the grounding of the Bowker and the downgrading of Storrow (or is it still SFR at this point - whatever). Actual riverfront would be a draw, for both visitors and real residents. The fact that on this stretch of riverfront the best that we have is the "BU Beach" (grassy hill high enough over Storrow you can somewhat ignore it) is an absolute shame.

Make this area livable and pleasant. People will follow. They'll share the space with BU just fine.
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One of the things that would help this entire area is the grounding of the Bowker and the downgrading of Storrow (or is it still SFR at this point - whatever). Actual riverfront would be a draw, for both visitors and real residents. The fact that on this stretch of riverfront the best that we have is the "BU Beach" (grassy hill high enough over Storrow you can somewhat ignore it) is an absolute shame.

Make this area livable and pleasant. People will follow. They'll share the space with BU just fine.
In the 1920's BU purchased the land for the Charles River campus. They owned the land down to the river's edge. In the 1930's as campus construction began the state took half the land by eminent domain to build the Esplanade and then decided to build Storrow Drive.
Otherwise BU today would have a magnificent riverfront campus.
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In the 1920's BU purchased the land for the Charles River campus. They owned the land down to the river's edge. In the 1930's as campus construction began the state took half the land by eminent domain to build the Esplanade and then decided to build Storrow Drive.
Otherwise BU today would have a magnificent riverfront campus.
They also named Storrow Drive after James Storrow, who his wife campaigned to stop the construction of the highway. They waited until both died and named the highway after them.
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