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Old 05-31-2019, 01:23 PM   #381
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Re: Northern Avenue Bridge Fort Point Channel

Looking at the connection, incorporating bus lanes on the rebuilt bridge would really only be helpful for inbound from the south and outbound to the north. Bus lanes on Seaport Blvd would be a much better plan for improving that aspect. I'd say build the bridge to support one lane vehicle traffic in each direction with sidewalk in case it is needed during a bridge closure. In practice, the "lanes" will be pedestrian and emergency vehicles only and the sidewalk will be cycle track. Design shouldn't preclude the alt usage, but should be made to look for pedestrians and not just a road that people walk on.
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Old 06-02-2019, 02:38 AM   #382
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I mean its really not too hard to visualize how much it would be used as a pedestrian only corridor... seeing that thats exactly what it was before it closed. Even back then when there was only 1mpd, the court house, the 2 vertex towers, and the ICA tons of people used it and everytime I crossed there was a few other people crossing as well. So it definitely would be used again now that theres a lot more going on there. I used to use it any time I was between seaport blvd and the harbor because it was flat and a straight shot. These days theres a whole neighborhood there and pier 4 is wrapping up now too.

If it were to be used by cars again a one way 2 lane bridge out of the seaport would help seaport traffic the most. Taking the right from downtown onto the bridge is redundant with the moakley bridge just before it, so thats unnessecary. So instead both lanes would lead out of the seaport and right turn only. If you need to go straight across or left onto atlantic ave you just take the moakley as normal. Heading out of the seaport though it leads right into a one way right turn only at atlantic ave. This would allow all cars who wish to head north on atlantic ave an easy route. People learn the roads so people would learn to take northern ave to go right and the moakley bridge to go straight or left.
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:13 AM   #383
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If it were to be used by cars again a one way 2 lane bridge out of the seaport would help seaport traffic the most. Taking the right from downtown onto the bridge is redundant with the moakley bridge just before it, so thats unnessecary. So instead both lanes would lead out of the seaport and right turn only. If you need to go straight across or left onto atlantic ave you just take the moakley as normal. Heading out of the seaport though it leads right into a one way right turn only at atlantic ave. This would allow all cars who wish to head north on atlantic ave an easy route. People learn the roads so people would learn to take northern ave to go right and the moakley bridge to go straight or left.
I think you are missing a key point about the traffic flow out of the Seaport.

The right turn most cars are making coming off the Moakley Bridge is not onto Atlantic. It is into the O'Neill Tunnel, I-93 N. The Northern Avenue Bridge provides no such access; it just dumps cars onto a busy, one-way stretch of Atlantic Ave, far from an I-93 entrance.
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Old 06-03-2019, 07:02 PM   #384
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So I attended the public meeting tonight. It seems apparent that Martyís default position is to go with cars on the bridge. Barring significant pushback, itís cars, cars, cars. Itís also apparent that the city sees the budget as the greatest weak point in making the bridge car-centric. Arguments based on use will not carry much water, but arguments on the money involved may be persuasive.
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Old 06-04-2019, 02:11 PM   #385
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I think you are missing a key point about the traffic flow out of the Seaport.

The right turn most cars are making coming off the Moakley Bridge is not onto Atlantic. It is into the O'Neill Tunnel, I-93 N. The Northern Avenue Bridge provides no such access; it just dumps cars onto a busy, one-way stretch of Atlantic Ave, far from an I-93 entrance.
Well... as someone who has gone through there many times, everybody is trying to get onto 93, just from different entrances like at Sudbury and through Sullivan. The reconstruction of the Charlestown bridge is going to mess with this. If they really wanted to help, a bus lane to North Station would be the easiest way to reduce traffic.
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Old 07-17-2019, 06:51 PM   #386
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Interesting

https://youtu.be/oAMunPJqRrQ

https://youtu.be/a6xWlgpc8mM
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Old 07-17-2019, 07:19 PM   #387
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so is that a roadway on the middle? Is it proposed to be a 2-way road?
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Old 07-17-2019, 07:27 PM   #388
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My God: we're still at the 'talking about the bridge for years' stage?

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Old 07-17-2019, 07:47 PM   #389
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The contextual version (3rd bridge option) in the second video is an instant icon, I think. The reinterpreted version is strange, and the basic is, well, basic..
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:22 AM   #390
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Of the four presented in the second video, I like the second one far more than the others. It is modern, yet still referential to the original design.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:45 AM   #391
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Of the four presented in the second video, I like the second one far more than the others. It is modern, yet still referential to the original design.
It also was a nod to pilings and the historical wharves. I like it, but my preference would be a restoration of the original metal. The best part of that bridge is the wooden floor and the metal overhead. I hope they preserve the former regardless of design (tho I doubt it).
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:46 PM   #392
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The first video is so close - just remove the damned roadway across the water. keep a narrow bike/ped bridge and the island in the middle of the Channel as a car-free hangout on the water.
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