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Old 07-23-2019, 09:52 AM   #61
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It's not as much work as it looks because the Crosby's Corner reconstruction added 2.3 miles of new expressway-quality grade separation, You only have a 1.8 mile gap to close to have a contiguous expressway from Alewife to MA 126 in Concord. Lincoln only needs Bedford Rd. grade separation into an interchange and tidy-up of the curb cuts within 2000 ft. of Lexington Rd. in each direction. It is on MassDOT's mind to tend to the Lincoln stretch, so that's likely to happen when funding comes available.

Eventually the long-delayed Concord rotary grade separation is going to get funded, putting total separation of 2A and Elm St. for another 2 miles of separation between MA 62 and the School St./Wetherbee St. curb cuts on the MA 111 concurrency. That leaves 1.5 miles and 3 curb cuts to dispose of on the 111 concurrency before West Concord-west is contiguous with the expressway to 495, and 2.2 miles from MA 62 to MA 126 before the expressway is contiguous to the east to 128 and Cambridge.

It really isn't very much work. And we're not talking a 6-lane Interstate...just the same minimalist 4-lane, 55 MPH speed limit, jersey-barriered job as the Crosby's Corner upgrade or the Acton-Littleton stretch between 111 and 495. Given how small the remaining gaps are, I think once the biggest project--the Rotary separation--and the Lincoln gap-closer are done the momentum is going to be on to gradually pick off the remaining 126-to-62 and 111 concurrency gaps. It'll happen in part because there is NOT much ritzy real estate direct-abutting the road, and zero required land-taking because the ROW already has a wide buffer on all signs. Forest, farmland, wetlands, prison, car auction lot, couple medical office building clusters set 250 ft. back from the road, and the Acton landfill. I'm sure there'll be NIMBY's, which is why "pick the remaining segments off in chunks and don't put a clock to it" is the operative plan...but there's only so much for people to scream about here. If 62, 2A, and 126 all flow better in/out of downtown Concord because they aren't ensnared in stoplight queues with the big highway, it'll be muted opposition at best.
OK I'll grant that if you are talking about a Rt-1 @ Saugus highway level of rebuild of Rt-2 it could and probably will eventually happen. Note that - It took nearly forever to get the project to Crosby [Ken Olsen was on the cover of Fortune standing up in a canoe*1 when this started] -- so I wouldn't hold my breath for the completion. However, I still think that the connection between Rt-2 W and Rt-2A is easier to do and more valuable.

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particularly relevant because he owned some of the land in Lincoln in question
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Old 07-23-2019, 11:58 AM   #62
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OK I'll grant that if you are talking about a Rt-1 @ Saugus highway level of rebuild of Rt-2 it could and probably will eventually happen. Note that - It took nearly forever to get the project to Crosby [Ken Olsen was on the cover of Fortune standing up in a canoe*1 when this started] -- so I wouldn't hold my breath for the completion. However, I still think that the connection between Rt-2 W and Rt-2A is easier to do and more valuable.

To clarify: this would not remain turnpike-grade like Route 1. The Crosby's construction is at real expressway design standards. The design speed is just 55 MPH instead of 65 MPH. It's like the new Worcester segment of MA 146, itself a turnpike-to-expressway upgrade that went for the grade separation and standards compliance without adding any additional lane capacity.
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Old 07-23-2019, 12:44 PM   #63
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To clarify: this would not remain turnpike-grade like Route 1. The Crosby's construction is at real expressway design standards. The design speed is just 55 MPH instead of 65 MPH. It's like the new Worcester segment of MA 146, itself a turnpike-to-expressway upgrade that went for the grade separation and standards compliance without adding any additional lane capacity.
I could definitely see some opposition to anything that bypasses route 126… Because now you’re talking about an elevated highway next to Walden pond.
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I could definitely see some opposition to anything that bypasses route 126… Because now you’re talking about an elevated highway next to Walden pond.
I was a park ranger at Walden many years ago and at the time, there was talk of moving Route 126 to east of the current parking lot and tying into Route 2 around the eastern edge of the former dump. Pavement on the current Route 126 would have been removed, and the pedestrian crossing from between the parking lot and VC area would have been eliminated. This was around twenty years ago, needless to say, it never happened...
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Why couldn't they just do Soldiers Field Road-style underpasses for Route 2 at the Concord intersections? No need to elevate the highway.
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Old 07-23-2019, 07:21 PM   #66
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Why couldn't they just do Soldiers Field Road-style underpasses for Route 2 at the Concord intersections? No need to elevate the highway.

Less dramatic than the kamikaze dips on SFR, but absolutely a half-and-half raise/drop can net an overpass with barely-changed grade and exit ramps that climb a retaining wall at low profile. Bedford Rd. will probably be instructive there because of abutting businesses.
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I was a park ranger at Walden many years ago and at the time, there was talk of moving Route 126 to east of the current parking lot and tying into Route 2 around the eastern edge of the former dump. Pavement on the current Route 126 would have been removed, and the pedestrian crossing from between the parking lot and VC area would have been eliminated. This was around twenty years ago, needless to say, it never happened...
That would definitely be a benefit if they did that.... and re: the intersection of 2 and 126, I suppose it will also depend on how elevated an overpass needs to get built. It probably would not really have any effect on Walden at all, but nonetheless I still can see, psychologically, the notion of expanding highway infrastructure in that area as causing controversy.
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I've found a couple of other alternatives that were supposedly under study:





EDIT: The Internet Archive has still a copy of the 2007 Final Report.
Build either. Just build.
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