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Old 09-10-2018, 07:19 AM   #5341
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This point is painfully obvious to any rider of the T, but this is a pretty brutal assessment of the state of MBTA infrastructure, by the T itself:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...Y3M/story.html
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Old 09-10-2018, 06:59 PM   #5342
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This point is painfully obvious to any rider of the T, but this is a pretty brutal assessment of the state of MBTA infrastructure, by the T itself:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...Y3M/story.html
I was not expecting them to make this public, but I must say, this grading system, despite how simple it is, is a pretty good indicator for the public of how bad the behind-the-scenes spaces and facilities are. While they do mention that they have comprehensive repair/renovation plans in place, some of these repair/maintenance requests have been sitting idle for years, even some high-priority ones. We wouldn't have seen what happened on the Blue Line a few weeks ago at Maverick had senior management continuously ignored/withheld funding for what were considered high priority repairs. Of course, now that the fiasco with the shuttle replacements and passengers walking in the tunnels happened, the repairs are finally happening. And they were simple repairs too, and that's just one example of dozens.

I'm holding out hope though. By 2022, a lot of upgrades will be brought online and more are planned thereafter, both on the public service side and support side. Should see some drastic improvements.
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Old 09-11-2018, 12:38 PM   #5343
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Nuggets of note from the MBTA Web Site:

There is a public meeting (with comment period) on the "Rail Vision" project on Thursday at 10:00 am. This is the study looking at regional rail, electrification, freqency, etc.

The FCMB has the Red-Blue Connector on its agenda for next week AND looking at constructability for a date TBD
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:34 PM   #5344
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An interesting interview with the two guys who created the "T" logo and design manual for the new MBTA in the 60s.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2018/...-its-t/570004/
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Old 09-17-2018, 07:15 PM   #5345
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An interesting interview with the two guys who created the "T" logo and design manual for the new MBTA in the 60s.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2018/...-its-t/570004/
Geismar was on a 99 PI episode earlier this year too. Highly recommend it.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episo...y-tom-geismar/
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:26 PM   #5346
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^ Fucking brilliant piece. Thanks for posting it, van.
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:52 AM   #5347
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Very interesting that it busts the old myth that the Orange Line was named for Orange Street. That one was always a lot fishier than the fairly intuitive Harvard-->Crimson-->Red, Emerald Necklace-->Green, Harbor-->Blue origins.
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Old 09-18-2018, 05:46 AM   #5348
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An interesting interview with the two guys who created the "T" logo and design manual for the new MBTA in the 60s.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2018/...-its-t/570004/
The T's graphic system is one of the underappreciated gems of the city. It is one of the things that defines my childhood as a Bostonian. Completely timeless, the signage will look just as modern 30 years from now.

I do find myself disagreeing with them about the rolling stock, though. I think it helps wayfinding to have the trains liveried according to their line, especially as the T's architecture gets more varied. No confusion as to what line you're on when the red train comes out of the tunnel.
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:01 AM   #5349
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Van,
Thanks for the great article on the MBTA graphics. I think they are near perfect for the transit system. The only regret is that not enough of the pre-T graphics were preserved off-site. A lot of the old wall maps and station signs were rich with the history of the pre-MBTA systems: BERY and the old MTA. Unfortunately many of tem were lost, as historical preservation wasn't a prominent practice in the 1960's.
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:28 AM   #5350
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An interesting interview with the two guys who created the "T" logo and design manual for the new MBTA in the 60s.

https://www.citylab.com/design/2018/...-its-t/570004/
Awesome article. Also interesting to learn that orange was picked for no particular reason… I have read elsewhere that orange was picked because part of the downtown portion of Washington Street was once long ago called Orange St and this was an homage to that. That explanation always sounded extraordinarily obscure.
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Old 09-24-2018, 03:44 PM   #5351
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Great ideas on raising revenue for a strapped transit system.

https://commonwealthmagazine.org/opi...s-quo-express/
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Old 09-24-2018, 03:56 PM   #5352
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Great ideas on raising revenue for a strapped transit system.

https://commonwealthmagazine.org/opi...s-quo-express/
Great article with much food for thought. Thanks for seeing that!
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:13 PM   #5353
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Great ideas on raising revenue for a strapped transit system.

https://commonwealthmagazine.org/opi...s-quo-express/
Raise fares to pay for the system. Subsidize fares for the poor through welfare and the middle class through tax breaks and not through subsidized fares to obscure the real cost of the system. Putting more of the power of the purse back into people's hands is the only way to ensure that the transit system is responsive to the needs of paying riders and then transit expansion is about economics again and less about politics.
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:44 PM   #5354
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"Subsidize fares for the poor through welfare and the middle class through tax breaks"
I think many tax payers only work with the 1040 EZ form that doesn't break out transportation deductions.
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:25 PM   #5355
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"Subsidize fares for the poor through welfare and the middle class through tax breaks"
I think many tax payers only work with the 1040 EZ form that doesn't break out transportation deductions.
It would be MA Form 1, which has a commuter deduction section in Schedule Y, Line 15.

But you can never pay for a system through fares and thus the tax break approach is no good. Fares aren't a sustainable source of funding. Have to work with the much bigger picture ideas that Jim discusses in the piece.
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:33 PM   #5356
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Raise fares to pay for the system. Subsidize fares for the poor through welfare and the middle class through tax breaks and not through subsidized fares to obscure the real cost of the system. Putting more of the power of the purse back into people's hands is the only way to ensure that the transit system is responsive to the needs of paying riders and then transit expansion is about economics again and less about politics.
Seems to fly in the face of the purpose of public transit, and I can't think of any system world wide that covers itself on fares alone with no subsidies. Also, that would very much hurt the lower class if they have to pay the upfront costs and wait until the end of the year to get it back via tax refund.
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Old 09-24-2018, 10:45 PM   #5357
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Why would you want to subsidize the poorer ends of the income spectrum? I’m inclined to think the the wealthier you are, the more you’re likely to conteibute to congestion.
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Old 09-25-2018, 10:19 AM   #5358
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Employers rely on a mobile, available talent pool, and demand a 5-day office hours week but mostly have externalized the cost of commuting to workers, road users, and real estate owners. In general our roads are most boken at commute times (and because employers still demand too-rigid 9 to 5 ish hours). I would like a tax paid by rigid (peak-forming) employers.

Virginia replaced its gas excise with a small wholesale tax and all the rest was income tax.

The theory was that work commuters whose time was most valuable also suffered the most from congestion time, and were the appropriate people to ask for jam relief. Suburban dwelling office workers were the high wage people who were jamming everything up and demanding better commute hour infrastructure

Rural Republican reps liked this too--they got a progressive break on the regressive gas tax for their rural-wage and car dependent constituents, and saw the burden of income tax imposed/shifted onto Lexus Liberals in the Washington inner burbs the exurbs had asked: why am I paying an excise tax for traffic relief when my area is not growing or subject to jams. Answer: they won't.

It was also the right deal for lower income retired folks, who might drive alot, but who do not drive at congested times (they are not creating rush hour jams).
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Old 09-25-2018, 08:23 PM   #5359
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Raise fares to pay for the system. Subsidize fares for the poor through welfare and the middle class through tax breaks and not through subsidized fares to obscure the real cost of the system. Putting more of the power of the purse back into people's hands is the only way to ensure that the transit system is responsive to the needs of paying riders and then transit expansion is about economics again and less about politics.
There's a problem with putting power into the people's hands. There's too many different voices.
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There's a problem with putting power into the people's hands. There's too many different voices.
So, dictatorship then?
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