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Old 09-28-2017, 02:17 PM   #3161
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Sometimes it's easier to seek forgiveness than permission. I think it's great that they just plowed ahead with this. Now people with genuine grievances can be heard as opposed to a process where everyone who loves the sound of their own voice who turns up at every public hearing and helps slow the whole process to a stop before it's even started.
Totally agree. I'd rather get something imperfect done now, and tweaks made as problems pop up, then try to get 100% consensus on theoreticals with a large number of people who are afraid of any kind of change at all.
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Old 09-28-2017, 02:29 PM   #3162
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The safety improvements came too late to prevent 2 deaths and people are still bitching?
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Old 09-28-2017, 02:35 PM   #3163
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The thing is, there actually HAS been outreach and discussion.

From the Cambridge Day (which has, by far, better reporting than Curbed Boston):
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[Cambridge Bicycle Safety's Nathanael] Fillmore was also taken aback by the discussion around Skendarian, where side street parking had always been part of the plan to make up for lost spaces on Cambridge Street and bicyclists had advocated for the apothecary in public and private meetings. While the lack of communication about upcoming changes was a critique heard throughout the discussion, Fillmore said his group had knocked on every door on Cambridge Street between Kirkland Street and Broadway and found “overwhelming support” for the bike lanes.
It is interesting to see how the movement towards safe bike infrastructure is exposing a big division in the Cambridge business community and, especially, in the government and City Council. Cambridge has 16 miles of protected lanes left to install according to its plans, and it's now clear that Denise Simmons will be fighting them on behalf of that subset of business owners.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:47 PM   #3164
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Beacon Street in Boston is finally getting safer, thanks to a protected bike lane, pedestrian improvements, and dropping one lane (from 3 to 2), which won't affect vehicle throughput even at peak:

http://bostoncyclistsunion.org/activ...ton-this-fall/

"Beacon Street protected bike lane as it approaches Mass Ave."


"The red line indicates the street’s capacity to move motor vehicles with 3 lanes. The blue line represents the street’s capacity with 2 lanes. The black line shows current motor vehicle volumes."
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Old 10-03-2017, 03:01 PM   #3165
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Hooray!
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:39 PM   #3166
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Call me very skeptical of their preferred Mass Ave intersection lane design. I think you're going to wind up with a much more problematic intersection for cyclists, (especially with typical BPD levels of enforcement of traffic laws) than if you'd gone with the separate right turn lane design.

I suspect you are now going to wind up with a line of right turning cars blocking thru cyclists at peak times. At lower traffic times, you will now have cars making right turns in front of cyclists without paying attention. I fail to see how either situation is better than the separate right turn lane.

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Otherwise I think the lane drop is fine and shouldn't be a problem for anyone in this stretch.
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Old 10-03-2017, 08:45 PM   #3167
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Call me very skeptical of their preferred Mass Ave intersection lane design. I think you're going to wind up with a much more problematic intersection for cyclists, (especially with typical BPD levels of enforcement of traffic laws) than if you'd gone with the separate right turn lane design.

I suspect you are now going to wind up with a line of right turning cars blocking thru cyclists at peak times. At lower traffic times, you will now have cars making right turns in front of cyclists without paying attention. I fail to see how either situation is better than the separate right turn lane.

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Otherwise I think the lane drop is fine and shouldn't be a problem for anyone in this stretch.
Yup. I doubt the bollards will be enough. I'm unclear as to what the left non-lane is, but that should be left/straight, the current left/straight (in the pic) should be straight only, and then the current right/straight should be right only.

The bike lane on Morton Street has become a right turn lane onto Cemetery Rd ever since they striped it. And cars come flying in, even though it's only barely enough room for a car lane.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:08 PM   #3168
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I'm unclear as to what the left non-lane is, but that should be left/straight, the current left/straight (in the pic) should be straight only, and then the current right/straight should be right only.
The leftmost lane is another parking lane.

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Old 10-03-2017, 10:36 PM   #3169
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The issue with this is that it'll eventually turn into a one lane road at times. Between Delivery (UPS,USPS,FEDEX) and Rideshare (Uber,Lyft,Taxi,Livery) the road will be blocked for a good bit of time. This is unless they create some loading zones along the street.

It's mostly residential (which helps) but I worry about how accurate the capacity chart is. Maybe increased traffic congestion on this street will take more cars off of it and on to other roads.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:06 AM   #3170
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The issue with this is that it'll eventually turn into a one lane road at times. Between Delivery (UPS,USPS,FEDEX) and Rideshare (Uber,Lyft,Taxi,Livery) the road will be blocked for a good bit of time. This is unless they create some loading zones along the street.

It's mostly residential (which helps) but I worry about how accurate the capacity chart is. Maybe increased traffic congestion on this street will take more cars off of it and on to other roads.
This point is completely correct. Today Beacon drives as a single lane in the center, because of the high rate of double parked vehicles on both sides!
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:43 AM   #3171
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This point is completely correct. Today Beacon drives as a single lane in the center, because of the high rate of double parked vehicles on both sides!
And that's why this road diet works. The data shows that there is very little time when they need more than two lanes. The illegal stopping will still occur, but during most times, the capacity is well under for even just one lane.

I'd argue to create more loading zones if they showed a need for more than one travel lane for a longer duration of the day, but the second lane just serves to allow the illegal stopping to continue, and this is helping keep up support for this project from abutters.
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Old 10-04-2017, 03:17 PM   #3172
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And that's why this road diet works. The data shows that there is very little time when they need more than two lanes. The illegal stopping will still occur, but during most times, the capacity is well under for even just one lane.

I'd argue to create more loading zones if they showed a need for more than one travel lane for a longer duration of the day, but the second lane just serves to allow the illegal stopping to continue, and this is helping keep up support for this project from abutters.
The road diet works, if you have better parking enforcement. Should be viewed as a revenue opportunity for the City. Double parking on an arterial like Beacon should carry a huge fine with rapid towing.
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Old 10-04-2017, 03:50 PM   #3173
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The road diet works, if you have better parking enforcement. Should be viewed as a revenue opportunity for the City. Double parking on an arterial like Beacon should carry a huge fine with rapid towing.
Common decency is all it takes to prevent double parking on most roads. Over-sized roads like Beacon and Charles invite double parking. There will be a little chaos immediately after the change, but I would expect people to start behaving normally within a short period of time without any special enforcement.
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:52 PM   #3174
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Shouldn't they be taking traffic and usage measurements over a longer period of time than just one week?
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:48 PM   #3175
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^Or Boston police could actually hand out tickets to people who double park. Growing up here, I learned during high school that hazard lights = "park anywhere you want for up to 30 minutes" lights. And that's just ridiculous.
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:21 AM   #3176
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Common decency is all it takes to prevent double parking on most roads. Over-sized roads like Beacon and Charles invite double parking. There will be a little chaos immediately after the change, but I would expect people to start behaving normally within a short period of time without any special enforcement.
I find little "common decency" among Boston drivers. Flouting traffic and parking laws is endemic in Boston. So I seriously doubt your claims. Double parking is behaving normally in Boston
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Old 10-21-2017, 12:27 AM   #3177
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The Fenway-Yawkey path connection has earned itself a public meeting.
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:47 PM   #3178
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Somerville has painted contraflow lanes on Hancock St and painted neckdowns at its intersections with Elm, Summer, and Highland.

Hancock is one way in multiple directions. It's been one-way SB from Summer to Elm and one-way NB from Summer to Charnwood. Both one-way segments have seen heavy salmoning, especially against the very short NB segment.

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Old 11-28-2017, 05:01 PM   #3179
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"Beacon Street protected bike lane as it approaches Mass Ave."
I think we might be better off with Beacon St being three lanes wide for a brief stretch just before Mass Ave, with the right lane designated right turns only, the middle lane for through traffic continuing onto Beacon, and the left lane for left turns only. That would create the opportunity to give the right turn lane a red right arrow while a bicycle signal head allows bicyclists to proceed across Mass Ave and while allowing a straight green arrow for traffic continuing across Mass Ave onto Beacon.

Also, if we could diet Beacon down to one through lane plus two parking / loading zone lanes, would that allow space for buffered bike lanes on both sides to allow contraflow bicycle traffic?
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:08 AM   #3180
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There is actually enough width to simply convert the planned separated bike lane to two way in the future. The main reason why they didn't do that now are that they'll have to add new signals facing the other direction (this project is just utilizing the existing signals).
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