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Old 06-21-2018, 09:45 AM   #2981
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It has arrived on the annex in E Boston.
I would love to see this area transform into something like NDSM Wharf in Amsterdam--an industrial waterfront turned over to creative uses, galleries/rehearsal spaces, performance venues, flea markets, live-work studios--all while maintaining a distinctly industrial look. The ICA Watershed is a great first step.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:06 AM   #2982
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I would love to see this area transform into something like NDSM Wharf in Amsterdam...
I agree, and the kernel of that is present here. Given time and the input from like-minded folks, we may see that sort of result. The main obstacle to that result is the unabated proliferation of luxury housing on the waterfront, and the ripple effect into the established Jeffries Point neighborhood.

Some of us are also advocating for similar urbanistic gestures and uses to HYM and the BPDA for the masterplan at Suffolk Downs.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:50 AM   #2983
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I agree, and the kernel of that is present here. Given time and the input from like-minded folks, we may see that sort of result. The main obstacle to that result is the unabated proliferation of luxury housing on the waterfront, and the ripple effect into the established Jeffries Point neighborhood.

Some of us are also advocating for similar urbanistic gestures and uses to HYM and the BPDA for the masterplan at Suffolk Downs.
I think that depends on who you talk to and what areas you include in "waterfront." Some would argue that the residential-to-office ratio in Seaport is very low in the Seaport (I've seen outspoken SJWs point to figures such as 20-30% ratio but I didn't do the math), even with the upcoming M parcels for example.

If you're also including Jeffries Point, then maybe that's a different story. But that waterfront is very different than Seaport.

I'm not saying whether you're right or wrong, but just interesting that there are vastly different opinions out there re: "unabashed proliferation of housing" vs. "not even close to adequate levels of housing" in the same area.
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:21 AM   #2984
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I think that depends on who you talk to and what areas you include in "waterfront." Some would argue that the residential-to-office ratio in Seaport is very low in the Seaport (I've seen outspoken SJWs point to figures such as 20-30% ratio but I didn't do the math), even with the upcoming M parcels for example.

If you're also including Jeffries Point, then maybe that's a different story. But that waterfront is very different than Seaport.

I'm not saying whether you're right or wrong, but just interesting that there are vastly different opinions out there re: "unabashed proliferation of housing" vs. "not even close to adequate levels of housing" in the same area.
He's clearly referring to East Boston waterfront. They're talking about the shipyard area where the ICA Watershed is, and he references Jeffries Point by name. He's not including the Seaport at all in his statement...
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:32 AM   #2985
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I'm speaking specifically about the East Boston Waterfront and the established neighborhoods that directly abut the area. As I'm sure you're aware, there's nothing short of a development feeding frenzy in Jeffries Point and Maverick Square; developments like Clippership and Portside are chum in the water.

If you give a close read to Boston's recent history (i.e. last 50 years), we know that neighborhoods like Jamaica Plain and the South End were revived by an infusion of "outsiders" (Latinos, artists, LGBTQ, political progressives). The very same thing is happening here, folks who are looking for a good value-for-money in an area that has been dispossessed for over a generation.

As with any other community, there are pros and cons to the demand that's been created in East Boston, some of it is "organic," and a lot of it is manufactured by marketing/PR. I think it's fair to say that people who have lived in East Boston (if only for a few years) have a much clearer understanding about what makes the place attractive and vital than developers, their lawyers and financiers, or the BPDA.
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:37 AM   #2986
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ICA Water Shed gallery is free admission. https://www.icaboston.org/ica-watershed
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:33 PM   #2987
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I'm not digging the new logo. Ah well.
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Old 06-21-2018, 02:53 PM   #2988
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^ I also preferred the red, vaguely Russian constructivist pennant.

I understand why a non-collecting museum would want to rebrand more often, to mirror the transitory nature of contemporary art.
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:54 PM   #2989
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He's clearly referring to East Boston waterfront. They're talking about the shipyard area where the ICA Watershed is, and he references Jeffries Point by name. He's not including the Seaport at all in his statement...
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I'm speaking specifically about the East Boston Waterfront and the established neighborhoods that directly abut the area. As I'm sure you're aware, there's nothing short of a development feeding frenzy in Jeffries Point and Maverick Square; developments like Clippership and Portside are chum in the water.

If you give a close read to Boston's recent history (i.e. last 50 years), we know that neighborhoods like Jamaica Plain and the South End were revived by an infusion of "outsiders" (Latinos, artists, LGBTQ, political progressives). The very same thing is happening here, folks who are looking for a good value-for-money in an area that has been dispossessed for over a generation.

As with any other community, there are pros and cons to the demand that's been created in East Boston, some of it is "organic," and a lot of it is manufactured by marketing/PR. I think it's fair to say that people who have lived in East Boston (if only for a few years) have a much clearer understanding about what makes the place attractive and vital than developers, their lawyers and financiers, or the BPDA.
Ok, my mistake. Missed the part in an earlier post where ICA Watershed is an East Boston thing vs. something on the industrial end of Seaport.

Thread title of "South Boston Seaport" + ICA reference + being at work = mistakes were made.
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Old 06-21-2018, 03:57 PM   #2990
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^ Understood -- it's all good. I think the photo got posted to display the (shitty) new ICA logo, not to insight out discussion.
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Old 06-21-2018, 04:02 PM   #2991
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I'm speaking specifically about the East Boston Waterfront and the established neighborhoods that directly abut the area. As I'm sure you're aware, there's nothing short of a development feeding frenzy in Jeffries Point and Maverick Square; developments like Clippership and Portside are chum in the water.
The 1970's, 80's had IT'S great neighborhood renewal + the Harbor Towers gold rush. Now we have the East Boston + Seaport gold rush.

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As with any other community, there are pros and cons to the demand that's been created in East Boston, some of it is "organic," and a lot of it is manufactured by marketing/PR. I think it's fair to say that people who have lived in East Boston (if only for a few years) have a much clearer understanding about what makes the place attractive and vital than developers, their lawyers and financiers, or the BPDA.
Churned out faux iconic gold rush!

North to Alaska baby! Climb on board NOW!!
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^ I think you might need a CAT Scan.
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:04 AM   #2993
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:30 AM   #2994
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^^ I was almost convinced it no longer worked!
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