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Old 11-15-2017, 10:56 PM   #2741
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The point of including the Community Path Extension with the GLX was that building it after the fact would have added hugely to its construction cost. And the Friends of the Community Path have a design for it that's significantly cheaper than the T's; I can't find a link at the moment, but it involves a prefab bridge over the Fitchburg Line.
The thing that really annoys me is the priority assigned to the CPX in the bidding requirements; platform canopies and more elevators are well and good, but public art? Public art is a fine thing but let's address functionality first, please.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:38 AM   #2742
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Yay,
both companies bidding for the GLX can include all 6 extra projects under budget. Looks like the bike path and extended maintenance yard are going ahead.... hopefully
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:40 AM   #2743
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The winner is 'GLX construction'. They reckon they can get the whole thing done for $950m
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:46 AM   #2744
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The winner is 'GLX construction'. They reckon they can get the whole thing done for $950m
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GLX Constructors is the apparent winning bidder for the GLX design build contract at a price of $954,618,600, which includes ALL of the “additive options” including the full extension of the Somerville Community Path from Washington Street to Lechmere Station.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...id=53151441680

If GLX Constructors bids $955m and they'd allowed $1.3b, does that mean there's $350m in savings that could return $ that was taken from Phase II (MVP terminus)?
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:58 AM   #2745
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If GLX Constructors bids $955m and they'd allowed $1.3b, does that mean there's $350m in savings that could return $ that was taken from Phase II (MVP terminus)?
or what about the money chipped in by the individual cities? Is Somerville still on the hook for $50m?
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Old 11-17-2017, 10:12 AM   #2746
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If GLX Constructors bids $955m and they'd allowed $1.3b, does that mean there's $350m in savings that could return $ that was taken from Phase II (MVP terminus)?
That was my exact thought. The Fed New Starts $ (plus Cambridge and Somerville's contribution) could be re-redirected back to Phase II. I'll be making that point at the FMCB meeting on Monday (where the contract will be awarded), and at the public meeting for the new EIS.
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Old 11-17-2017, 10:18 AM   #2747
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That was my exact thought. The Fed New Starts $ (plus Cambridge and Somerville's contribution) could be re-redirected back to Phase II. I'll be making that point at the FMCB meeting on Monday (where the contract will be awarded), and at the public meeting for the new EIS.
It should be the case, yes. Return the money for Phase II, or put it toward Red/Blue or Fairmount Urban Rail.
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Old 11-17-2017, 10:51 AM   #2748
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Man, when was the last time we heard good news regarding a transit construction budget? A weird feeling, but I could get used to it...

These new relatively-low bids certainly strengthen my belief that the $3 billion number being kicked around a couple years ago was the result of pure exploitation by the previous contractors... Obviously the numbers aren't an apples-to-apples comparison, but still.
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:58 AM   #2749
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So what exactly were the all of the additive options? I have poked around and can't seem to find an actual list of them.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:01 PM   #2750
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So what exactly were the all of the additive options? I have poked around and can't seem to find an actual list of them.
The "additive options" were prioritized in the following order:

1. Platform canopies.
2. Additional elevators at select stations.
3. Public art.
4. Additional community connection to the community path located on Chester Street in Somerville.
5. Extension of the community path between East Somerville and Lechmere Stations.
6. Enhanced Vehicle Maintenance Facility in Somerville

It still baffles that art was 3rd and not 6th, but now that we're getting them all (by paying 1,080M instead of $955M vs $1,300M budgeted), I guess/hope it doesn't matter.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:06 PM   #2751
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The "additive options" were prioritized in the following order:

1. Platform canopies.
2. Additional elevators at select stations.
3. Public art.
4. Additional community connection to the community path located on Chester Street in Somerville.
5. Extension of the community path between East Somerville and Lechmere Stations.
6. Enhanced Vehicle Maintenance Facility in Somerville

It still baffles that art was 3rd and not 6th, but now that we're getting them all (by paying 1,080M instead of $955M vs $1,300M budgeted), I guess/hope it doesn't matter.
Based on this list, is it safe to assume fare control gates are still out?
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:18 PM   #2752
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The "additive options" were prioritized in the following order:

1. Platform canopies.
2. Additional elevators at select stations.
3. Public art.
4. Additional community connection to the community path located on Chester Street in Somerville.
5. Extension of the community path between East Somerville and Lechmere Stations.
6. Enhanced Vehicle Maintenance Facility in Somerville

It still baffles that art was 3rd and not 6th, but now that we're getting them all (by paying 1,080M instead of $955M vs $1,300M budgeted), I guess/hope it doesn't matter.
Ah, thanks. Yeah, the art thing was... odd. I guess I already knew of those - I was hoping there was more (like full fare gates).
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:22 PM   #2753
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All this essentially proves what I've harped about for years: The GLX never cost $3b. It never even cost $2b (or barely $1b). It was all artificially inflated by the previous contractor via the lack of oversight involved with CM/GC procurement and the state's reaction was inappropriate and reckless instead of just rebidding the job as designed as design-build.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:29 PM   #2754
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The "additive options" were prioritized in the following order:

1. Platform canopies.
2. Additional elevators at select stations.
3. Public art.
4. Additional community connection to the community path located on Chester Street in Somerville.
5. Extension of the community path between East Somerville and Lechmere Stations.
6. Enhanced Vehicle Maintenance Facility in Somerville

It still baffles that art was 3rd and not 6th, but now that we're getting them all (by paying 1,080M instead of $955M vs $1,300M budgeted), I guess/hope it doesn't matter.
At the last meeting, they explained that their did their ordering by "if there is money, they will prioritize to upgrading the GLX stations first". Thus the platform canopies, elevators, and public art being 1, 2, and 3 and those are the stuff about the GLX stations.

I speculate that outside the prioritization of direct GLX station items, there is a prioritization based on cost. Which is by #5 is where it is and #6 is at the bottom as was the mostly costly.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:30 PM   #2755
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All this essentially proves what I've harped about for years: The GLX never cost $3b. It never even cost $2b (or barely $1b). It was all artificially inflated by the previous contractor via the lack of oversight involved with CM/GC procurement and the state's reaction was inappropriate and reckless instead of just rebidding the job as designed as design-build.
I don't disagree. The rebidding part they did, but they jeopardized the Federal grant by freaking out. I'm not sure there was more delay than there would have been with a simple rebid, though, and the managerial changes on the MassDOT end (hiring a PM and staff) were going to take time and needed to happen.
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Old 11-17-2017, 12:56 PM   #2756
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Ah, thanks. Yeah, the art thing was... odd. I guess I already knew of those - I was hoping there was more (like full fare gates).
We'll have all-door boarding without expensive faregates thanks to barrier-free fare collection.

And then barrier free fare collection, when applied to all surface stops on the Green (Comm/Beacon/Riverside/Huntington) will speed service across the whole system. Stephanie Pollack turned a capital budget crisis into an operational win on speed, cost and convenience.

Faregates necessitated headhouses necessitated elevators & escalators: hundreds of millions in capital costs that produces no better fare compliance and no net speed improvement vs proof-of-payment systems in use on most transit systems worldwide and and most new light rail in the USA too.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:16 PM   #2757
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There needs to be a serious investigation into the failures of the previous contract. I suspect a good deal of criminal corruption.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:20 PM   #2758
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We'll have all-door boarding without expensive faregates thanks to barrier-free fare collection.
Is there any substance to that assertion, or just wishful thinking? I don't recall hearing that we are implementing PoP. Or is barrier-free collection something else entirely?
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:35 PM   #2759
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Is there any substance to that assertion, or just wishful thinking? I don't recall hearing that we are implementing PoP. Or is barrier-free collection something else entirely?
In Oct 2016, they said the new system was coming in "approximately 2 years"

Most stories focused on a tap-point at all doors, but I haven't seen specifics. A tap point being barrier-free but not quite proof-of-payment (as I understand it)

RFQ 88-16 and RFI 199-15 seem to be where the action is (or isn't)
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:10 PM   #2760
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In Oct 2016, they said the new system was coming in "approximately 2 years"

Most stories focused on a tap-point at all doors, but I haven't seen specifics. A tap point being barrier-free but not quite proof-of-payment (as I understand it)

RFQ 88-16 and RFI 199-15 seem to be where the action is (or isn't)
There's a lot of details on how the new fare system is going to work on different modes in this recent (9/18/17) meeting: https://www.mbta.com/events/1152 (see the AFC 2.0 Procurement document at right)

Short explanation: All door entry for Green Line/Bus, tap payment only (no cash, nothing magnetic/mechanical like a CharlieTicket). Should work pretty well, IMO.
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