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Old 02-10-2008, 04:02 PM   #41
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It think it's a bit easier for LA to have a clean subway system since no one uses it! Boston is eons ahead of LA in terms of urbanity, and no matter what flashy project LA builds it will NEVER catch up. I hate it when people launch into these blind bouts of pessimisim about Boston. Who cares if the T font looks bad??? At least it's a working transit system that millions of people use. Have you seen NYC's subway lately? They might as well run the sewer lines down those tracks, but it's still seen as the best system in the country. Boston competes with NYC, Chicago, SF, and DC. Atlanta, Miami, and LA can put up as many towers as they want, but they will always be second-tier cities.
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I wouldn't count LA as a 2nd tier city. It's most likely more well-known around the nation and the world than Boston. Nor do I think Boston could be comparable to NYC and Chicago. Those are in their own category in importance and population that well exceed Boston. I say DC and SF can be compared.
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Wow, the North Station T stop still looks quite spiffy to me. Compared to any station in New York, actually, nearly every single T station is shimmering.
Sticky and dirty floor, plus rusted handrails. But yeah, it's better then most NYC stations, maybe I'm comparing way too much to the ultra clean Asian subways.
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Old 02-10-2008, 08:19 PM   #44
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who cares what they look like. and their not even that dirty. go look at arlington station. there's a station for ya. Andrew's walls are pretty grimy. but who gives a f. Asian subways are ultra clean most likely because you can pay tons of people very little to clean them. can't do that here.
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Old 02-10-2008, 08:23 PM   #45
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Boston competes with NYC, Chicago, SF, and DC. Atlanta, Miami, and LA can put up as many towers as they want, but they will always be second-tier cities.
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I wouldn't count LA as a 2nd tier city. It's most likely more well-known around the nation and the world than Boston.
You're both right. LA is a first-rank locality and not a city at all.
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Old 02-10-2008, 09:04 PM   #46
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^that's exactly what I meant. I used the word "city" as "a dense, urban area." Of course LA is more important than Boston.
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go look at arlington station. there's a station for ya.
It's under construction, and the usual entrance is closed, so the T had to open the secondary entrance at Berkeley Street. Wait till it's finished before judging.
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Old 02-10-2008, 11:25 PM   #48
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Comparing LA and Boston is like comparing apples and porterhouse steak. Why do it? There is one distinction, however, I find interesting, one that's rarely discussed. Bostonians love their city and are mostly proud of it. Granted, beantown folks are often (wicked) pissed off at it too; its our birth right. LA residents, on the other hand, don't think about their city in possessive terms and really have no love for it. It's just the place they work in and drive through.
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Old 02-11-2008, 02:14 PM   #49
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I know Arlington station is UC... just doesnt seem like they're actually doing any work on it before. This is like semi-permanant if you ask me.
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Comparing LA and Boston is like comparing apples and porterhouse steak. Why do it? There is one distinction, however, I find interesting, one that's rarely discussed. Bostonians love their city and are mostly proud of it. Granted, beantown folks are often (wicked) pissed off at it too; its our birth right. LA residents, on the other hand, don't think about their city in possessive terms and really have no love for it. It's just the place they work in and drive through.
GaWC Inventory of World Cities, 1999
An attempt to define and categorise world cities was made in 1999 by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network (GaWC), based primarily at Loughborough University in Loughborough, Leicestershire, England. The roster was outlined in the GaWC Research Bulletin 5[4] and ranked cities based on provision of "advanced producer services" such as accountancy, advertising, finance and law, by international corporations. The GaWC inventory identifies three levels of world cities and several sub-ranks.
Note that this roster generally denotes cities in which there are offices of certain multinational companies providing financial and consulting services rather than other cultural, political, and economic centres. There is a schematic map of GaWC cities at their website.[6]

Alpha world cities / full service world cities[7]
12 points: London, New York City, Paris, Tokyo
10 points: Chicago, Frankfurt, Hong Kong, Los Angeles, Milan, Singapore

Beta world cities / major world cities
9 points: San Francisco, Sydney, Toronto, Z?rich
8 points: Brussels, Madrid, Mexico City, S?o Paulo
7 points: Moscow, Seoul

Gamma world cities / minor world cities
6 points: Amsterdam, Boston, Caracas, Dallas, D?sseldorf, Geneva, Houston, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Melbourne, Osaka, Prague, Santiago, Taipei, Washington, D.C.
5 points: Bangkok, Beijing, Montreal, Rome, Stockholm, Warsaw
4 points: Atlanta, Barcelona, Berlin, Budapest, Buenos Aires, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Istanbul, Kuala Lumpur, Manila, Miami, Minneapolis, Munich, Shanghai

Evidence of world city formation
Strong evidence
3 points: Athens, Auckland, Dublin, Helsinki, Luxembourg, Lyon, Mumbai, New Delhi, Philadelphia, Rio de Janeiro, Tel Aviv, Vienna

Some evidence
2 points: Abu Dhabi, Almaty, Birmingham (UK), Bogot?, Bratislava, Brisbane, Bucharest, Cairo, Cleveland, Cologne, Detroit, Dubai, Ho Chi Minh City, Kiev, Lima, Lisbon, Manchester, Montevideo, Oslo, Riyadh, Rotterdam, Seattle, Stuttgart, The Hague, Vancouver

Minimal evidence
1 point: Adelaide, Antwerp, Aarhus, Baltimore, Bangalore, Bologna, Bras?lia, Calgary, Cape Town, Colombo, Columbus, Dresden, Edinburgh, Genoa, Glasgow, Gothenburg, Guangzhou, Hanoi, Kansas City, Leeds, Lille, Marseille, Richmond, St. Petersburg, Tashkent, Tehran, Tijuana, Turin, Utrecht, Wellington

GaWC Leading World Cities, 2004
An attempt to redefine and recategorise leading world cities was made by PJ Taylor at GaWC in 2004.
Global Cities [8]
Well rounded global cities
Very large contribution: London and New York City.
Smaller contribution and with cultural strengths: Los Angeles, Paris, and San Francisco.
Incipient global cities: Amsterdam, Boston, Chicago, Madrid, Milan, Moscow, Toronto.
Global niche cities - specialised global contributions
Financial: Hong Kong, Singapore and Tokyo.
Political and social: Brussels, Geneva and Washington, D.C.
World Cities
Subnet articulator cities
Cultural: Berlin, Copenhagen, Melbourne, Munich, Oslo, Rome, Stockholm.
Political: Bangkok, Beijing, Vienna.
Social: Manila, Nairobi, Ottawa.
Worldwide leading cities
Primarily economic global contributions: Frankfurt, Miami, Munich, Osaka, Singapore, Sydney, Zurich
Primarily non-economic global contributions: Abidjan, Addis Ababa, Atlanta, Basel, Barcelona, Cairo, Denver, Harare, Lyon, Manila, Mexico City, Mumbai, New Delhi, Shanghai.
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Berlin ranks below Boston in importance? Miami is as important as Shanghai? How is that possible?
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Old 02-11-2008, 04:20 PM   #52
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This was made in 1999 which at the time Shanghai was not exactly close to the level it is now. However, Boston is more important than Berlin due to Boston being a port city, the technology industry and higher learning.
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yeah, sorry. They were the most updated stats i could find.
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Old 02-11-2008, 05:03 PM   #54
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Boston is also the third largest center for investment management worldwide behind London and New York. People don't realize this but we still have a lot going on here with Fidelity, State Street, B of NY Mellon, B of A, and to a lesser degree Putnam, MFS, Evergreen, Wellington, the obscure old money shops such as Moors & Cabot and the private equity industry, with two of the ten largest firms in the world, Bain and TH Lee being based here.
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:34 PM   #55
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^ very true.. there's alot more that are smaller too... Berkshire Partners, Charlesbank, etc
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Old 02-11-2008, 06:57 PM   #56
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All this talk is distracting from those renderings, which are, completely uninspiring. I shouldn't be surprised. Somehow the act of filling the unusually shaped site, which typically makes for more interesting structures, isn't doing a thing for this building. Maybe because the geometry of the site is being defined by standarized highway geometries ...

Why is the Congress St. frontage (the only frontage not on a highway ramp) dominated by a service driveway? What, the 4 lanes plus parking plus median of Congress St. isn't wide enough already? Oh yeah, the recipe book for hotels includes a driveway for check-ins/cabs/etc. Just like off the highway. Funny, the Parker House seems to have survived all these years without one ....
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Old 02-11-2008, 07:13 PM   #57
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^ Isn't the Seaport really a lost cause? It's like the suburbs, it doesn't matter what you do.

How would you compare it with Central Square?
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:08 PM   #58
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^ Isn't the Seaport really a lost cause? It's like the suburbs, it doesn't matter what you do.

How would you compare it with Central Square?
I wouldn't.



And yes, sadly, the Seaport is a lost cause. I wouldn't count on seeing a hardware store there any time soon. (but each new hotel has its own Starbucks.)

I suppose I still hold out hope that the fine grained pattern established by the Boston Wharf Buildings will have some influence on their immediate surrounds. But that hope comes from the heart ... my head says otherwise.
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Old 02-11-2008, 08:27 PM   #59
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Boston is also the third largest center for investment management worldwide behind London and New York. People don't realize this but we still have a lot going on here with Fidelity, State Street, B of NY Mellon, B of A, and to a lesser degree Putnam, MFS, Evergreen, Wellington, the obscure old money shops such as Moors & Cabot and the private equity industry, with two of the ten largest firms in the world, Bain and TH Lee being based here.
And all this wealth just goes buy tacky chateaux in Dover and Weston. I guess there aren't many patrons of architecture in the "money shops".
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It's got two, I believe. Unfortunately the owner of one of them was just arrested for massive credit card fraud.
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