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Old 02-21-2013, 05:10 PM   #1
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Proposed Back Bay Garage Tower | Dartmouth and Stuart | Back Bay

Boston Properties floating idead idea for office space / mixed-used above building above the parking garage at the corner of Stuart and Dartmouth streets...

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/re...new-tower.html

Of course, as the article points out, they haven't even moved on 888 Boylston yet...
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:42 PM   #2
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Re: Back Bay Garage Tower (Dartmouth and Stuart)

I have often thought this is a prime location for an office tower, and it may be the only current realistic spot for a new tall tower in Boston since it's quite a ways away from Logan flight paths and right next to the JHT. I expect the usual NIMBY grandstanding, but at the end of the day, the new shadows from a 800 or 900ft tower would be minimal.

Other problems I expect: Wind. There is already a massive wind tunnel here. Tall tower + Copley Tower?

The space is definitely being underutilized by just the parking garage.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:48 PM   #3
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Re: Back Bay Garage Tower (Dartmouth and Stuart)

How cool would it be to have two highly reflective glass towers right next to each other? Would it cause an infinite mirror effect from a distance?
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:14 PM   #4
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Re: Back Bay Garage Tower (Dartmouth and Stuart)

This is right across Dartmouth street from where the Copley tower is supposed to be built.

Didn't people object to the Clarendon being "out of scale" even though it is right across from the JH as well?
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:46 PM   #5
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Don't forget this study from a few years ago:

http://www.bostonredevelopmentauthor...%20REVISED.pdf
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:22 PM   #6
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Here we go...pagee and pages of pointless arguing.
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Old 02-22-2013, 06:10 AM   #7
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I just hope this guy updates his song about the Copley Place Tower to include this new project:
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #8
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I just hope this guy updates his song about the Copley Place Tower to include this new project:
i hate this dude so much
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:10 PM   #9
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Has anyone seen the little playground they built in this area, over across from Red Lantern/Zocalo? They built a wall on cinder blocks and put a small playground in. I noticed it while standing in line to get into the Brahmin the other night.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:36 PM   #10
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Ha ha. That's the Fidelity spite playground. Donated by them to stick it to Winn so he couldn't have that bit of land to build Columbus Center on.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:45 PM   #11
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Banker and Tradesman speculated it would be 40-50 stories to recoup the costs.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:48 PM   #12
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And the BBJ article suggests it could go to 50.

If they decide to proceed here with a mixed-use building, I bet we could see 700 feet, given today's office floor heights. Of course, that is speculation with a healthy dose of optimism...
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:58 PM   #13
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If they decide to proceed here with a mixed-use building, I bet we could see 700 feet, given today's office floor heights. Of course, that is speculation with a healthy dose of optimism...
I try not to get a hardon for height - but a 700 ft. tower next to JHT, with the 400 ft. Saunders development to one side and 500+ ft. Copley tower to the other really gets my blood pumping.

It won't take a supertall to liven up our skyline (and we aren't going to get one any decade soon). These additions would transform the Back Bay from 2 tent poles into a real skyline.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:06 PM   #14
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so are they going to demolish the garage or somehow put this building on top that would be a terrible mistake this garage looks horrendous.
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Old 02-22-2013, 02:41 PM   #15
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As the BBJ article notes, 888 Boylston is not getting built until there is a tenant. So who will be the tenant for this 40, maybe 50, story tower?
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Old 02-22-2013, 03:15 PM   #16
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It would be people if this city's development patterns made any sense. Fewer office proposals, way more residential needed.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:26 PM   #17
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I truly believe Boston/Cam/Som could add 200000 in ten years if it built for it. Granted it would require that it's not all luxury, and also lower the rent of existing stock a touch. In Boston it seems that they could fill bigger buildings they just choose not to build larger.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:43 PM   #18
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I don't think the metro-Boston transportation system could handle 200,000 more people within a decade. There are probably sound logistical reasons why the state and local governments don't allow massive TOD. Just because the people are here does not mean the money is going to appear to fix the State's transportation problems.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:58 PM   #19
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Hope Norman Foster designs it. Hell, perhaps we can have him redesign Back Bay Station as well.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:39 PM   #20
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I truly believe Boston/Cam/Som could add 200000 in ten years if it built for it. Granted it would require that it's not all luxury, and also lower the rent of existing stock a touch. In Boston it seems that they could fill bigger buildings they just choose not to build larger.
That's dreaming. Where are the jobs coming from that would support this increase in population?

For the record, Boston's population in 2000 was 592,000; in 2011 Census estimates it was 625,000.

Student enrollment in Boston colleges and universities was 152,000 in 2010, according to the BRA. The increase in Boston population between 2000 and 2010 corresponds eerily to the growth in student enrollment in the same period. Correlation is not causation, and the data do not demonstrate that population growth in Boston is due mostly/entirely to increase in college/university enrollment.

http://www.bostonredevelopmentauthor...iversities.pdf

One is free to burrow in on this labor market analysis to identify where the tens of thousands of new jobs to support a 200,000 increase in population are coming from.
http://www.cityofboston.gov/Images_D...tcm3-34141.pdf
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