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Old 04-20-2019, 02:18 PM   #4081
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Can any jets do Porter's airport in Toronto?
Jets are banned from Billy Bishop Toronto City per a Toronto ordinance. Prop only.
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Old 04-20-2019, 02:30 PM   #4082
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They can accommodate a220s though. The a220-100 is approved and the a220-300 likely lies in the near future.

If you're feeling hopeful for jetblue, they do have a220s on order...
I doubt those planes have the range to cross the Atlantic though. The range is less than the older a320s.
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Old 04-20-2019, 08:01 PM   #4083
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I doubt those planes have the range to cross the Atlantic though. The range is less than the older a320s.
They can, and airbus has marketed this ability: https://www.google.com/amp/s/simplef...-approved/amp/ . BA flies an A318 between JFK and LCY right now. Itís all business (lighter), but it does the JFK-LCY direction without a stop. It stops in SNN on the LCY-JFK leg for fuel, but SNN-JFK is still transatlantic. I donít know if anyone plans to use the a220 for TATL flights, but the point is that the ability is there.
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:10 AM   #4084
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They can, and airbus has marketed this ability: https://www.google.com/amp/s/simplef...-approved/amp/ . BA flies an A318 between JFK and LCY right now. Itís all business (lighter), but it does the JFK-LCY direction without a stop. It stops in SNN on the LCY-JFK leg for fuel, but SNN-JFK is still transatlantic. I donít know if anyone plans to use the a220 for TATL flights, but the point is that the ability is there.
If one has to make a technical stop for fuel, its not really a non-stop. Back in the day, a United 727 non-stop from Huntsville to Washington National sometimes had to take on fuel at Atlanta in the summer, because the Huntsville runway was too short for the takeoff weight.

The westbound flight does not appear in flight track databases.
https://flightaware.com/live/findfli...stination=KJFK

The eastbound flight typically runs about 30+ minutes longer than a BA 777 or 744 departing JFK at the same hour. Plus two diversions in the past 10 days to Gatwick.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...235Z/KJFK/EGKK

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...240Z/KJFK/EGLL
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Old 04-21-2019, 07:36 AM   #4085
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If one has to make a technical stop for fuel, its not really a non-stop. Back in the day, a United 727 non-stop from Huntsville to Washington National sometimes had to take on fuel at Atlanta in the summer, because the Huntsville runway was too short for the takeoff weight.

The westbound flight does not appear in flight track databases.
https://flightaware.com/live/findfli...stination=KJFK

The eastbound flight typically runs about 30+ minutes longer than a BA 777 or 744 departing JFK at the same hour. Plus two diversions in the past 10 days to Gatwick.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...235Z/KJFK/EGKK

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...240Z/KJFK/EGLL
Oh I agree. Iím just pointing out that the a220 absolutely does have the range. Itís worth noting that the a318 does too. It stops in SNN for fuel not due to range, but because it canít take off from LCY with full tanks (the weight would require more runway). Itís an interesting route, but even with the 30+ minutes of added time, itís still nicer to arrive/depart LCY vs. LHR/LGW with only 37 other passengers max in an all business configuration.

Even if LCY remains a no-go, the a220 is TATL capable and is more efficient than older a318/19/20 aircraft. It can potentially serve light/lean US-Western Europe routes.

Edited to add, this plane (cs100 became the a220 when Airbus bought it from Bombardier) was specifically tested on the LCY-JFK route without the SNN stop and did it with more weight than the a318. https://aeronauticsonline.com/bombar...y-jfk-nonstop/ so while itís still not a forgone conclusion itíll happen, itís a possibility and almost certainly a better alternative to the status quo.

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Old 04-21-2019, 08:04 AM   #4086
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^ y'all are missing the most innovative aspect of the a318 LCY-SNN-JFK run:
its London-JFK curb-to-curb time is not impacted by the SNN stop because the passengers are shuffled through U.S. customs/immigration pre-clearance in SNN to make use of the time while the aircraft is being fueled.
So the value-prop for business travelers is very real because you get to use the much more convenient LCY airport without a substantial schedule time hit.

I agree, though, that it would of course be an improvement if an aircraft could do LCY-JFK route without the stop.
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:37 AM   #4087
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I erred on the westbound route.

Its in the database from Shannon to JFK. After further thought, I figured BA wouldn't ferry an empty plane westbound for an eastbound return.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...100Z/EINN/KJFK

Overall flight time seems to average about 8.5 hours. Arrives JFK mid-afternoon, which is not a great time for business travelers. Wonder if the westbound flight sells seats at a heavy discount. Westbound BA 744s leaving LHR at 9:30 arrive JFK around noonish.

I think the London City flight numbers are the Concorde flight numbers.
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Old 04-21-2019, 09:26 AM   #4088
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well maybe my info is outdated, but I specifically recall colleagues telling me in the past about the SNN pre-clearance thing essentially making up for lost time.
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Old 04-21-2019, 10:49 AM   #4089
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Not exactly Logan:
https://www.capecodtimes.com/news/20...r-takes-to-sea
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