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Old 05-03-2018, 06:17 PM   #1781
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Has anyone discussed the meltdown in Seattle over the disputed tax?

Amazon ready to halt ALL expansion in Seattle effective immediately (yeah sure)....

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/03/am...-tax-proposal/

Walsh, Golden, Curtatone and Baker need to get on a fugging plane.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:00 PM   #1782
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Has anyone discussed the meltdown in Seattle over the disputed tax?

Amazon ready to halt ALL expansion in Seattle effective immediately (yeah sure)....

https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/03/am...-tax-proposal/

Walsh, Golden, Curtatone and Baker need to get on a fugging plane.
This proposed levy is to aid the homeless. Seattle is averaging 10,000 new apartment units a year.
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As we're back to Amazon, Montgomery County is economically stagnant, because, some assert, it discouraged new employers coming to the county.

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Old 05-03-2018, 07:09 PM   #1783
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It's official: Amazon will bring 2,000 new jobs to Seaport

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Old 05-03-2018, 07:26 PM   #1784
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There are other ways to ensure affordable housing besides build, build, build. like.. gasp... rent control, squatting and holding homes after evictions, tenant unions fighting evictions in the first place, etc. You ignore the possibility for action by anyone but the political and capitalist class. Displacement is class war and people will fight back.

Also these things just simply are not inevitable. They may be under neoliberal capitalism but they are ultimately choices. We structure our society in a certain way that makes it hard to see an alternative but it could be structured differently. Whenever you start acting like capitalism is just the way of nature you are preaching a market cult.
You’re going to be fun in a few decades when your economic views do a 180, you know that?
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:51 PM   #1785
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I have a Stylish set up to allow me to read it?

Will occupy 430,000 SF in the L4 block once building is complete in 2021. Have an option for L5 block's 610,000 SF which will complete by 2025. They'll get a $5MM property tax break from the city for hiring the 2,000 and an additional $5MM if they hire an additional 2,000 for the L5 block.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:25 PM   #1786
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https://patch.com/massachusetts/bost...be-rich-boston

Apparently it takes less than I thought to be rich in Boston.
They may have a different idea of what rich means than many of us methinks.
I hate articles that talk about income without indicating if their reference point is per person or household.
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Old 05-04-2018, 05:38 AM   #1787
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I hate articles that talk about income without indicating if their reference point is per person or household.
https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income...usetts/boston/

The $82,380 is the median household income for Boston from 2016.
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Old 05-04-2018, 07:30 AM   #1788
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There are other ways to ensure affordable housing besides build, build, build. like.. gasp... rent control, squatting and holding homes after evictions, tenant unions fighting evictions in the first place, etc. You ignore the possibility for action by anyone but the political and capitalist class. Displacement is class war and people will fight back.

Also these things just simply are not inevitable. They may be under neoliberal capitalism but they are ultimately choices. We structure our society in a certain way that makes it hard to see an alternative but it could be structured differently. Whenever you start acting like capitalism is just the way of nature you are preaching a market cult.
So, basically theft. Got it.
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Old 05-04-2018, 07:59 AM   #1789
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I don't like people being displaced by high housing prices. What I'm saying is its inevitable. We can and should build affordable housing, .
I can deal with high housing prices if they grew naturally in a balanced economic climate. Even the majority Middle class families doing the right thing would benefit overtime because they could adjust with natural growth with time.

What is going on here is not natural.
State/city leaders pump billions of dollars in taxpayers resources in certain areas to create great infrastructure then subsidize billion dollar corporations to build in areas that is priceless real estate (then call it job creation) instead of letting market forces determining the value of the land.
When in reality it will increase the overall costs onto the taxpayers through Real estate tax, traffic jams, puts overall pressure on our existing infrastructure & city govt services.

I'm not against tax incentives if they justify the cause but the Seaport was all open land. Our political hacks need to get their zoning in line.

Our elected officials are corrupt idiots. I don't blame the corporations or the developers I blame our Political base for not representing the taxpayers and understanding the fruits of our labor. I'm not a republican but the Democrats seriously are their own worse enemy.

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Old 05-04-2018, 08:14 AM   #1790
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So, basically theft. Got it.
You could also say the current system is organized around theft of the value workers create. And you could easily characterize the corruption described by TheRifleman as theft. The only distinction is that one form of theft is currently legal, the other is not.
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Old 05-04-2018, 08:43 AM   #1791
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There are other ways to ensure affordable housing besides build, build, build. like.. gasp... rent control, squatting and holding homes after evictions, tenant unions fighting evictions in the first place, etc. You ignore the possibility for action by anyone but the political and capitalist class. Displacement is class war and people will fight back.

Also these things just simply are not inevitable. They may be under neoliberal capitalism but they are ultimately choices. We structure our society in a certain way that makes it hard to see an alternative but it could be structured differently. Whenever you start acting like capitalism is just the way of nature you are preaching a market cult.
The problem with all of this is that it has no political support, because the majority of voters think its foolish - even the liberal ones. Unless you have a magic wand handy, you have a better chance of seeing God than re-imposing rent control. If you want to re-make society have at it, but that's going to take decades if not a century and in the meantime people will still be getting priced out of their homes. I prefer to focus on what's achievable in the time I have on Earth.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:04 AM   #1792
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You could also say the current system is organized around theft of the value workers create. And you could easily characterize the corruption described by TheRifleman as theft. The only distinction is that one form of theft is currently legal, the other is not.
But they're workers, not slaves. And very well paid union workers create a lot of this value.
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Old 05-04-2018, 09:57 AM   #1793
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But they're workers, not slaves. And very well paid union workers create a lot of this value.
Lots of highly/very well paid non-union jobs, too.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:02 AM   #1794
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The problem with all of this is that it has no political support, because the majority of voters think its foolish - even the liberal ones. Unless you have a magic wand handy, you have a better chance of seeing God than re-imposing rent control. If you want to re-make society have at it, but that's going to take decades if not a century and in the meantime people will still be getting priced out of their homes. I prefer to focus on what's achievable in the time I have on Earth.
Hey Rover give Scooter a break. Zir is just trying to find zirself. Next week instead of identifying as a bolshevik Skippy will be identifying as maybe a polka dot zebra. So cute!
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:05 AM   #1795
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But they're workers, not slaves. And very well paid union workers create a lot of this value.
We are slaves:
When you have a Govt that can just print money backed by nothing of value and hand it out to the selected groups that they choose then claim they are creating jobs. That is slavery. The system has been compromised--- Only ignorant and uneducated people can't acknowledge this.

Also give those selected groups unlimited tax advantages over other groups is nothing more than stealing.

This scenario only destroys hardworking families because it puts mounted pressure on them financially bailing out the entitled inept nonproductive morons.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:17 AM   #1796
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But they're workers, not slaves. And very well paid union workers create a lot of this value.
I never called them slaves, and I wasn't talking about construction jobs. Just jobs. And how have those been doing?



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This conversation has nothing to do with trans people. This is what happens when right-wing fanatics start punching left nowadays. Literal hate speech.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:22 AM   #1797
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I never called them slaves, and I wasn't talking about construction jobs. Just jobs. And how have those been doing?





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This conversation has nothing to do with trans people. This is what happens when right-wing fanatics start punching left nowadays. Literal hate speech.
It was certainly sophomoric, but calling it hate speech? Its almost like bith sides are just trying to rachet up the rhetoric.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:31 AM   #1798
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We can at least agree that it was intended to be disparaging and has no place here.

Look, we get it Brad. The world is changing in ways that are frightening and uncomfortable to you. This is natural, and will likely happen to the younger among us someday. But go ahead and keep it to yourself so you don't embarrass yourself on the internet, where everything is forever.
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Old 05-04-2018, 10:59 AM   #1799
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It was certainly sophomoric, but calling it hate speech? Its almost like bith sides are just trying to rachet up the rhetoric.
I'm not trying to ratchet it up. It's hate speech. He said being a trans person is as ridiculous as choosing to identify as a polka dot zebra.
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