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Old 11-09-2013, 08:40 AM   #41
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We have our own Google Barge!
John, you've hit the proverbial Grand Slam

Build a large barge, get a BIG Crane or possibly Two sell the video to one of those BIG Construction programs on some division of the Discovery Channel

Pick up the Center Section of the Bridge and mount it on the Barge

Connect the Barge Bridge with two small movable pedestrian gangplanks to the permanent approach sections of the bridge

Then in the unlikely need for something to pass through the channel the gangplanks get raised and if the really unlikely event occurs the barge can be towed out into the harbor

The cost of the project will be paid for by the showing of the program and future downloads and DVDs
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Old 11-09-2013, 09:20 AM   #42
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I agree it should be cleaned up and left to itself. BU bridge has a whole new life after its renovation.

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This, I would even go so far as to say let cars go across it again.

The real opportunity isn't in the bridge itself, but the structures that used to be attached to it. The old bridge tenders house that is slowly falling into the ocean would make an amazing restuarant/bar. And there was a 4 story firehouse (most recently ross sea tow) at the south east side of the span that could be reconstructed.

I love the tea party museum in the middle of the fort point. Rebuilding more of the structures that used to line the bridges would give a unique aesthetic, and contrast the new fan pier with the "old" seaport.


In a similar vein, I wish the citys old truss bridges were reconstructed with the same furvor as the charles river crossings. We are about to loose the north washington st bridge, and already lost the ones on the south side of the city. They had so much more character than the glorified freeway overpasses that replace them.
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Old 11-10-2013, 12:33 AM   #43
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WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS? WHERE DID WE GO WRONG?
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forget it ever happening, its too great an idea.
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:22 PM   #44
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WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS? WHERE DID WE GO WRONG?
The glass-encased bridge redevelopment was proposed by Beal Companies. It was of five proposals submitted in response to a BRA RFP in 1999.

That glass proposal was not selected. Instead, a development across the Channel that included bridge demolition was selected by the BRA.

The following excerpt is from http://www.historicboston.org/casebo....avebridge.htm

Five developers responded to the BRA's 1999 Request for Proposals, and the BRA tentatively designated Forest City Enterprises to redevelop the site in July 1999. Forest City's plans called for demolishing the bridge and constructing a three-story, 150,000 square foot retail structure on the footprint of the central fender pier. In September 1999 the Boston Landmarks Commission, having accepted a petition to landmark in June 1999, recommended designating the bridge as a Boston Landmark. Mayor Menino denied the Landmark designation in November 1999. The next month Forest City withdrew its proposal citing the necessity of massive subsidies, which prompted the city to explore demolition options. Such an action, however, would have violated a Section 106 Memorandum of Agreement signed in the late 1980s when the City used federal funds to construct the Evelyn Moakley Bridge. Mayor Menino now supports saving the bridge and the Public Works Department is exploring opportunities to do so.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:28 AM   #45
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^^^Section 106 is a historic preservation process conducted at the Federal level, often producing a memorandum of agreement among parties at interest, and specifying what can / cannot be done to an existing structure which is considered historic. The bridge wouldn't need to be on the National Register to be covered by a Section 106 process, as long as it was determined to be eligible for listing.

Someone in the BRA was asleep at the switch when the RFP went out in 1999.
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:12 AM   #46
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biked and walked around downtown/seaport on saturday. things are coming along in all places (Filenes had some robust activity at 715 on sat. morning!). This bridge needs to have something happen to it. It is the primary pedestrian connector on the harborwalk and linking all seaport with Aquarium, and downtown attractions that tourists would be going. There is a lot of $$ going in the ground on both sides of this bridge and millions of dollars literally walking over it every day. And its a crumbing steel heap with chain link fences and butt filled planters.

It needs to be saved and redone, and if it can't at this moment in time, its a total failure of leadership.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:21 AM   #47
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biked and walked around downtown/seaport on saturday. things are coming along in all places (Filenes had some robust activity at 715 on sat. morning!). This bridge needs to have something happen to it. It is the primary pedestrian connector on the harborwalk and linking all seaport with Aquarium, and downtown attractions that tourists would be going. There is a lot of $$ going in the ground on both sides of this bridge and millions of dollars literally walking over it every day. And its a crumbing steel heap with chain link fences and butt filled planters.

It needs to be saved and redone, and if it can't at this moment in time, its a total failure of leadership.
The grand entrance to the Seaport "Innovation District" is used for temporary parking. Pretty sure this parcel is City owned. Both ends are a mess.

Visitors walking along Harborwalk at Rowes Wharf are dead-ended here. There are no signs or wayfinding along west side of Fort Point Channel to reconnect pedestrians around Hook Lobster toward Independence and Atlantic Wharves. Most tourists simply turn around here, never exploring the western edge of Fort Point Channel beyond this point.

Earlier this summer, the BRA took waterfront planning newbies on a tour of the waterfront with a focus on wayfinding. From what I could tell, it was the same dog-and-pony show I attended in 1998... no ideas solicited at that time were funded.

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Old 11-11-2013, 11:45 AM   #48
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How hard would

1) fix the structural issues
2) paint it
3) open the middle and right (west) sections to autos, reserve the left (east) section for pedestrians

be? It's just a bridge
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:17 PM   #49
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I do know of one developer that analyzed it and even jamming it with space, the costs are still high to do all in private. This is definitely a public/private partnership with tax breaks type deal. But that's exactly what its for because by my calculations, the bridge contributes $0 to the tax base.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:01 PM   #50
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My guess is that this will be reopened to traffic someday. I doubt that the judges in the courthouse like being on a dead end. Way to inconvenient. That would still leave one lane available for pedestrians.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:02 PM   #51
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Yes, the gangsters need a getaway route :O)

(That was a joke and not a slight to Whitey Bulger's victims.)
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:37 PM   #52
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:43 PM   #53
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My guess is that this will be reopened to traffic someday. I doubt that the judges in the courthouse like being on a dead end. Way to inconvenient. That would still leave one lane available for pedestrians.
One side will be used for traffic, one side for pedestrians. I believe the bridge will be raised up to a higher level and the harborwalk area around it will be made more handicap accessible. This from the horse's mouth last year on a BRA-led tour of the waterfront.
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Old 11-15-2013, 08:52 AM   #54
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I loooooooooove the lighting on this bridge, and generally the lighting done on some of the new buildings in the seaport.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:59 PM   #55
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Opening it up to traffic will just make Atlantic Ave a shit show since you'll be putting a bunch of traffic on Atlantic Ave after the highway on ramps.
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:45 PM   #56
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Opening it up to traffic will just make Atlantic Ave a shit show since you'll be putting a bunch of traffic on Atlantic Ave after the highway on ramps.
Atlantic Ave is already a nightmare in the morning from the Pike/Expressway through South Station. I drive it every day and some days it will literally take 15-20 minutes to go 5 blocks. The real problem is that trucks double park and take up the far left hand lane and then on the right side, the taxis are a mess by the bus terminal entrance. Obviously whatever traffic enforcement over there isn't working. I never understood why the city doesn't jack up the parking tickets for commercial vehicles that are illegally parked. If it is a $100 ticket now, make it $500. Lot's of businesses just view the current ticket as a cost of doing business downtown likely because the fines are not severe enough. Whatever the fine is now, make it 5 times that and I am sure we will see a dramatic reduction in commercial vehicles that think it is ok to block lanes of traffic during rush hour. /end rant.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:46 PM   #57
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One side will be used for traffic, one side for pedestrians. I believe the bridge will be raised up to a higher level and the harborwalk area around it will be made more handicap accessible. This from the horse's mouth last year on a BRA-led tour of the waterfront.
BNeo -- no one is going to raise the bridge and then use it for vehicular traffic

For the FP Channel to remain navigable the bridge would need to be raised about 10' and besides the support structures required -- that would necessitate massive ramps on both sides

Not going to happen if the bridge is raised-up on new piers then there will only be pedestrian access with Wheelchair accessible ramps {probably switchback] much as the Pedestrian Bridge over the Commuter Tracks at North Station
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:08 PM   #58
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I never understood why the city doesn't jack up the parking tickets
+1.
The other thing that kills me is when the city pays cops to direct traffic so we don't end up with gridlock (i.e., cars stuck in the middle of the intersection after the lights change). Those cops should be giving out tickets, not directing traffic. Let the signals do their job - if morons aren't stuck in the middle of the intersection they work just fine.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:19 PM   #59
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The other thing that kills me is when the city pays cops to direct traffic so we don't end up with gridlock (i.e., cars stuck in the middle of the intersection after the lights change). Those cops should be giving out tickets, not directing traffic. Let the signals do their job - if morons aren't stuck in the middle of the intersection they work just fine.
I fucking hate this.

And theres not one city in the country that does it right.

Block the box? Should be a $1,000 fine. Have a cop posted on foot at every corner, have them walk up to every car thats blocking the intersection, and tell them to pull over and get their checkbook out.

Honking? $150 per honk. Its the biggest quality of life issue and our police departments would rather fondle their assholes than enforce the noise/honking laws.
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:01 PM   #60
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Honking? $150 per honk. Its the biggest quality of life issue and our police departments would rather fondle their assholes than enforce the noise/honking laws.
Honking is "the biggest quality of life issue"? Really? Do you trust a cop to distinguish when a honk is out of safety/warning and when it's out of frustration/assholery?
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