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Old 03-20-2019, 08:49 AM   #1821
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Excellent job stick. The money shot is the ground view with the building rising up behind South Station. Very nice addition to the skyline. NIMBY's gotta NIMBY I guess but one would assume the difficulty of building over the tracks prevents the developer from recreating the Taj Mahal or whatever else some people's personal preferences are for what goes up here (while contributing zero dollars of their own money to make that happen).
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:56 AM   #1822
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Kudos on your analysis, stick.

To clarify, my complaint here isn't about the form or silhouette of the tower, but the lack of expression on the facade. The smooth reflective glass is utterly featureless, and that needn't be the case. Given the depth and variation of South Station's facade, this tower looks "cheap" even if it isn't...
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:38 AM   #1823
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Kudos on your analysis, stick.

To clarify, my complaint here isn't about the form or silhouette of the tower, but the lack of expression on the facade. The smooth reflective glass is utterly featureless, and that needn't be the case. Given the depth and variation of South Station's facade, this tower looks "cheap" even if it isn't...
I think adding some stone like this building going up in Jersey City would help

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Old 03-20-2019, 10:27 AM   #1824
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The facade will look alot better in real life because it will reflect the surrounding city. The rendering is misleading because it basically looks like blue plastic.

I think a more detailed glass facade would look good, maybe like PPG Place in Pittsburgh
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:40 PM   #1825
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I wasn't exactly sure how to put this into words so I color coded it.
Thanks for the analysis. I appreciate the attempt to mirror the symmetry of South Station, but I'm of the opinion that when it comes to this type of project a clean break is best. Would personally much prefer something asymmetrical with much clearer glass, or something darker and as suggested --

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I'd suggest prominent (and preferably dark) metal mullions tracing up the tower's surface. Something to lead the eye upward, to give it presence.
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Old Yesterday, 09:45 AM   #1826
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Careful what you wish for, that building in JC looks very early 90's in person.
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Old Yesterday, 02:08 PM   #1827
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When taking into account what this things ACTUALLY going to look like in real life when built I think it looks good.

Millions of people are going to see this going north on 93. The setbacks, thin side, and angled face I think looks really good.



Next up the millions of people who use South Station will see this, and also from the vicinity of the greenway.



And finally together within the skyline. Make up your opinion of the tower based on these 3 angles. The rest are cool to look at, and some are unflattering, but dont matter within the reality of what peoples real life interactions with the tower will be.




Another popular spot will be people looking up and seeing this same angle but up close from the Fan Pier waterfront in front of the courthouse and 22 Liberty. Im just trying to save people from the future backtracking of when it doesnt ever look like the tobasco bottle drone shot. Its not incredible... but its not an awkward turd either like that shot makes it seem. Not everyone has to like it, but if you dont at least base it off this. Personally Im excited to see some nice setbacks on a prominent Boston office tower for a change.

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Old Yesterday, 02:38 PM   #1828
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I could not give less than half a shit for what the people on 93 will see, nor the people cruising by on their yacht
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Old Yesterday, 02:46 PM   #1829
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That skyline view is not only seem from on the water... Just like the view from 93 is not only seen from the highway. Millions more people will also see the skyline shot from Logan airport and also heading west on 1A from Logan. Theres also millions of people who live/visit the state and fly. Then also see that view from East Boston waterfront and Piers park. Ive never sailed through the harbor, but Iv seen that skyline view 100 times... Also the “93 view” means by proximity, Dot ave and Dorchester. Still, not caring about the highway view itself is your opinion and thats all fine and well, but whether you care or not doesnt change the fact that this is what millions of people will see.

That being said those perspectives are obviously not strictly locked into a boat or car... I know what your saying, but I never implied to make the “good sides” of a tower face highways. Im saying that from the renders we have so far, those 3 perspectives are what the majority of ppl will see because of where on the skyline the tower is located. So the 93 view means dot ave/south of the city, the skyline is Logan/Piers park/1A, and the front face is the greenway/South Station entrance. You wont see it from the north and barely from the common if at all. So those 3 angles hit the 3 big sightlines. Probably the only prominent perspective thats missing is from the South End and... the pike.

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Old Yesterday, 02:56 PM   #1830
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I could not give less than half a shit for what the people on 93 will see, nor the people cruising by on their yacht
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Old Yesterday, 03:06 PM   #1831
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The thing with this project is that it will be just about impossible to approach the tower from street level. Because it's an air rights development over the South Station tracks, it pretty much won't have a ground floor. So while I usually focus on a project's quality from the street level and care less about the stuff hundreds of feet above ground, the air rights nature of this project makes the "view from a distance" relatively more important.
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Old Yesterday, 03:08 PM   #1832
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Agreed on the narrow point (will the future phases add retail along the SS streetwall?), but the ground floor of the tower will literally double the capacity of the cheapest, most widely accessible means of intercity transport.
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The thing with this project is that it will be just about impossible to approach the tower from street level. Because it's an air rights development over the South Station tracks, it pretty much won't have a ground floor. So while I usually focus on a project's quality from the street level and care less about the stuff hundreds of feet above ground, the air rights nature of this project makes the "view from a distance" relatively more important.

The millions of people at South Station/Greenway is pretty prominent, but yea

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from the renders we have so far, those 3 perspectives are what the majority of ppl will see because of where on the skyline the tower is located. So the 93 view means dot ave/south of the city, the skyline is Logan/Piers park/1A, and the front face is the greenway/South Station entrance. You wont see it from the north and barely from the common if at all. So those 3 angles hit the 3 big sightlines. Probably the only prominent perspective thats missing is from the South End and... the pike.
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Old Yesterday, 03:25 PM   #1834
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The thing with this project is that it will be just about impossible to approach the tower from street level. Because it's an air rights development over the South Station tracks, it pretty much won't have a ground floor. So while I usually focus on a project's quality from the street level and care less about the stuff hundreds of feet above ground, the air rights nature of this project makes the "view from a distance" relatively more important.
Not 100% sure, this view will drastically change.

https://goo.gl/maps/UBAsty35daq

Do we know what it will look like?


The bus terminal isnt horrible but it could be better

https://goo.gl/maps/MNhHky5NPrS2
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Old Yesterday, 03:31 PM   #1835
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^ It doesnt show the whole street, but this. Also the arches are located down the area between South Station on the left and the new structure on the right.

Then this


And this shows the rest
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Old Yesterday, 03:48 PM   #1836
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Again an aerial shot... but the top render shows the first glass wall, so you can get the general idea of what the rest will be like when looking at the last render. That first render with the glass cube and masonry panels on the right of the glass matches the bottom render.
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Old Yesterday, 04:01 PM   #1837
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Im confused, isnt the shorter building supposed to be here on the right? Directly above the blank stone wall

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Old Yesterday, 04:44 PM   #1838
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Im confused, isnt the shorter building supposed to be here on the right? Directly above the blank stone wall

Yes, that is correct. They may have only rendered the first phase. (This is still being phased out, correct?)

Or perhaps Pelli is not the architect of the other two mid-rises?

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Old Yesterday, 05:05 PM   #1839
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I could not give less than half a shit for what the people on 93 will see, nor the people cruising by on their yacht
Yikes
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I could not give less than half a shit for what the people on 93 will see, nor the people cruising by on their yacht
I guess screw everyone in Dot, then, too?
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