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Old 12-27-2017, 12:29 PM   #121
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Re: Omni Hotel @ BCEC | Summer St | Seaport

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This Omni is a biz hotel, it is not there to win design awards.
By this logic the only interesting architecture we would see built would be architecture firms offices.
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Old 12-27-2017, 02:18 PM   #122
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It's a bland building that will activate 2 streetwalls, include no onsite parking (the awful garage can be redeveloped in 20 years), and increase the city's supply of hotel rooms by 5%. I'll take it.
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Old 12-27-2017, 02:43 PM   #123
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Who remembers what was supposed to go here, over the pike, and in place of waterside place? It was a long time ago now but they had plans for a huge mall here with glass towers all around it. I think it got scrapped around the recession but there were plans here before almost any of these other parcels built or proposed. I think it may still have been called waterside place and it was massive and would have covered the whole area and put street walls on all 4 roads. Ill try to find the renders itís been a long time though and I believe I had renders on my old computer back when I used to save them because they werenít so easy to find as today.
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Old 12-27-2017, 03:41 PM   #124
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Stick, this may be what you are thinking of (Waterside Place).

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Old 12-27-2017, 04:04 PM   #125
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I understand what you're saying, but when every middling design can be dismissed with some variant on "it's only an infill building", then it concedes that is the best Boston can hope for.

Compelling design doesn't demand attention-seeking starchitect buildings. It can be something as modest as this.
+1. I don't know why some of y'all are so quick to provide architects excuses instead of holding them to some standards.
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Old 12-27-2017, 04:21 PM   #126
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Stick, this may be what you are thinking of (Waterside Place).
Outside of the nifty hotel tower I'd say we really dodged a bullet here.
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Old 12-27-2017, 04:36 PM   #127
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Youíd rather have the garage and the hail road?
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Old 12-27-2017, 04:44 PM   #128
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Youíd rather have the garage and the hail road?
I'd rather not have a gigantic shopping mall. The other stuff is more fixable.
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Old 12-27-2017, 05:01 PM   #129
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Got it. My view is tht if itís like the pru - internal pedestrian streets embedded in an active block..then thatís good.If itís like south shore plaza then thatís bad.

Iíll agree that the d street rendering of waterside place was pretty bad.

I also really donít like whatís emerging between the bcec and congresss st. And actually we pretty nearly have the original waterside place concept anyway, but without the haul road air rights...
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:35 AM   #130
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I think the renderings actually do a decent job of bandaging over the real issue, which is the plan. It's a mall and a super-megablock rivaling the convention center, and that's just not great urbanism. Sure there are a few that remain successful but even in the best case, when that thing shut down at night anyone trying to move through the area would be forced to go around it. Think of the human-scale city blocks that could have gone in instead.

What we're getting isn't that much better tbh
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Old 12-28-2017, 10:08 PM   #131
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I like the first rendering the best because I can look at it and see exactly where and when my dreams for a mixed-use, 30% residential neighborhood died.

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According to Curbed apparently this is the final design vs the other few iterations that had been floating around. I think its a pretty solid design, great street level, ties into surrounding neighborhood well and brings a substantial amount of rooms directly across the BCEC.
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Old 12-29-2017, 11:03 PM   #132
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I guess I pose the question back to you all - who should approve said designs for architectural audacity? What should those standards be? And how much of that do we need vs, infill.

I work in the middle of Midtown Manhattan and when you are 20, 30, 40+ floors up, you see the reality of what makes up the skyline. I can see the BofA tower to my south and 30 Rock to my north, but all around me (my building included) is a lot of "meh", but it all adds to the sauce.

The waterfront is loaded with "meh" but how much of that needs to be iconic? Brickell in Miami is full of starchitect towers, but it still feels sterile at street level, especially at night.

I guess I will admit that I more concerned with bringing more office space, more hotel rooms and more housing online and improving the economics of Boston vs. the design element.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:43 AM   #133
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The shape of the hotel makes it look somewhat like THIS!

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