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Patrick
11-19-2009, 03:57 PM
This town looks amazing. A little small in size but the more I see the more I like. IT is great looking
http://www.thebestkeptsecretofthesouth.com/greenvilleSCphotos.html
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/2700900289_a3cd60ae58.jpg
http://3.media.tumblr.com/52geHMpzF5rtlup1Rtf6MMwX_400.jpghttp://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles33831.jpghttp://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/5/4/4/7/1/ar121107238917445.jpghttp://hillmullikin.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/2113623105_a109e4f93e.jpghttp://hillmullikin.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/2113623105_a109e4f93e.jpg
http://preservationinpink.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/downtown-greenville1.jpg

vanshnookenraggen
11-19-2009, 06:30 PM
Sure that looks nice but where are all the people?

armpitsOFmight
11-19-2009, 06:32 PM
pwnd

kennedy
11-19-2009, 07:51 PM
Sure that looks nice but where are all the people?

Either at their little festivals, or in their cars. It does look pretty though, and I bet there's usually people on the streets. Those photographs almost look like they were set up to be empty.

unterbau
11-19-2009, 08:13 PM
Sure that looks nice but where are all the people?
Kegger at Bob Jones'

or maybe Stolmy Pimentel was pitching for the Drive

Patrick
11-19-2009, 08:56 PM
Well, I'm not sure where they are. But the town does look nice I think. From a design perspective. It only has 56,000 residents, but is amazingly designed in my opinion.

here are some more
http://ispgstreetpainting.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ef84add8834011570273563970b-800wi
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/1a/69/b5/riverplace-hampton-inn.jpg
http://brainsonfire.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/673353675_08a34a90e9.jpg
http://www.webster.edu/greenville/images/Greenville%20SC%20Skyline.jpg

maybe they are all in airconditioned offices I don't know what the humidity is like there but I imagine it is high

I have tried looking for more people pictures, but none of them seem to have any shoppers except one wikipedia image and a bunch of festivals. But nonetheless I like this town's looks very much and I think more places should aspire, aesthetically speaking, to arrange themselves like this

kennedy
11-19-2009, 09:06 PM
It definitely looks nice, that's for sure. I bet you're pretty accurate on the humidity idea, it seems every picture with people is after or around sunset.

kennedy
11-19-2009, 09:09 PM
Hmm...took a look at the StreetView, pretty abysmal place outside of those photographs. Maybe that explains it.

TMcLaughlin
11-20-2009, 04:35 AM
I moved down to Greenville from Boston last year. I can say that Main St/Falls Park (which is where all those shots were taken) is very nice and usually has a decent number of people, especially on weekends. Unfortunately, the rest of the city needs some work. And forget about going car-free.

There is hope for some parts of the city. The West End is starting to show some life, and there are some areas where large-scale development could occur. There's also talk of light rail and improving the current bus system, but it's a long way off. And then there are those who oppose changes to zoning because they feel the government shouldn't tell them what to do with their land. Attitudes are starting to change, but it'll be a long time before Greenville realizes its full potential.

Lrfox
11-22-2009, 12:06 PM
Hmm...took a look at the StreetView, pretty abysmal place outside of those photographs. Maybe that explains it.

In all fairness, Streetview's relatively low-quality views in many cities make decent areas look mediocre or even bad. Almost any city in New England can be a prime example of this.

Patrick, I have a friend who lives in Portland, ME who came from Greenville. She makes a lot of comparisons as the cities are VERY similar in size. She said the downtown core ares are similar in size but Portland's is in much better shape. She noted that Greenville had made some small improvements to the downtown area but it doesn't have the historic fabric that Portland does, nor does it have the concentration of shops and restaurants that Portland does. She also said that Portland has better residential areas in the East and West Ends as well as places like Oakdale, Rosemont and Deering. She likes that crime is lower in Portland and says summers are brutal in Greenville. She prefers Portland due to the location ON the coast (Greenville is close, but not quite there) and still close to the mountains. Overall, she's much happier in Portland than Greenville.

However, she uses Greenville as a real point of comparison because she does feel that there are a lot of similarities. I think it's funny that both cities have minor league franchises that are affiliates of the Boston Red Sox (Greenville Drive and Portland Seadogs) and both of those franchises have a left field wall built to the specs of Boston's Green Monster.

From what she tells me, You may enjoy Greenville if you like Portland.

Patrick
11-22-2009, 08:09 PM
thanks for sharing. I really enjoy cities like Portland, Portsmouth, Burlington, Greenville, Asheville, etc. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy huge cities, too. I also enjoy quaint towns like exeter NH and Concord, MA. I am just a fan of built environments and settlement patterns done right, I guess. I particularly like when cities of 50 - 100,000 that stand on their own blend the worlds of town and city. The ideal place, to me, has community and economy. It is tough to have both (i.e. small towns have tons of community and no jobs and big cities have well paying jobs but no one really has community ties). To some extent, Boston seems to have succeeded at this, relative to comparable cities, on a large scale. Part of the reason I am so interested in Portland, other than home town pride, is that I think if it just pursued the right course it could be SO much better than what it currently is. I think it is waiting to be the perfect sort of town, but it just can't seem to do enough of the right things enough of the time. anyway, thanks again,

ant8904
11-29-2009, 09:26 AM
I was in Greenville a year and a half back and was there for a week. It was really nice. Think of the pictures with people, when I was there there was plenty. Just to also note, I recalled at a park, one of the structures was made to resemble the Zakim-Bunker Hill bridge.

kennedy
11-29-2009, 09:50 AM
Seems like every town/city in America is building their own suspension (?) bridge lilke the Zakim. I think they're just the new trend in bridges, as opposed to truss bridges which seem to have been the predominant style (or most economic choice) for a good long while.

Ron Newman
11-29-2009, 11:28 AM
"cable-stay" not suspension.

kennedy
11-29-2009, 02:46 PM
Thanks, I wasn't sure and I was too lazy to look it up. I went with suspension because there are cables that seem to hold up the suspending bridge.

TMcLaughlin
11-29-2009, 09:39 PM
Perhaps the Zakim comparison is accurate. Turns out the architect of this bridge is from Boston (http://www.fallspark.com/liberty_bridge.asp).

unterbau
11-29-2009, 11:49 PM
Perhaps the Zakim comparison is accurate. Turns out the architect of this bridge is from Boston (http://www.fallspark.com/liberty_bridge.asp).
Well, yeah, and he also designed the Zakim bridge. So there's that...

TMcLaughlin
11-30-2009, 01:24 PM
And all this time I thought that was Christian Menn. Guess you learn something new every day.

Beton Brut
11-30-2009, 03:35 PM
And all this time I thought that was Christian Menn.

Christian Menn designed the Zakim. Says so right here (http://www.christian-menn.ch/english/person_e/procl_menn.pdf).

And the bridge in Greenville appears to be a modified suspension bridge (it uses a catenary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenary) cable), not a cable-stayed structure.

unterbau
11-30-2009, 05:09 PM
Christian Menn designed the Zakim. Says so right here (http://www.christian-menn.ch/english/person_e/procl_menn.pdf).

And the bridge in Greenville appears to be a modified suspension bridge (it uses a catenary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catenary) cable), not a cable-stayed structure.

hmm, maybe Miguel Rosales just edits his wikipedia page so he can get jobs like this

Beton Brut
11-30-2009, 05:18 PM
^^ Maybe.

Another factoid: Santiago Calatrava studied with Christian Menn.

kennedy
11-30-2009, 05:50 PM
Who influenced who?

Pierce
12-02-2009, 08:11 PM
And all this time I thought that was Christian Menn. Guess you learn something new every day.

I believe Menn was the design architect, Rosales the local. Menn's idea, Rosales' drawings, or something like that......

Beton Brut
12-02-2009, 08:39 PM
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_P._Zakim_Bunker_Hill_Memorial_Bridge):

The bridge concept was developed by Swiss civil engineer Christian Menn and its design was engineered by American civil engineer Ruchu Hsu with Parsons Brinckerhoff. Boston-based architect Miguel Rosales was the lead architect/urban designer and facilitated community participation during the design process. Neither Hsu nor Rosales served as the designer of record for the project.